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Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by pgeorgi »

ameister14 wrote: post #94

I totally understand why this is annoying and can sympathize. However, it was probably a mistake to write a blog post about it and put it around. Not because of any backlash against your future prospects or because you're now missing out on some opportunity, because that's not your problem. I just think that by writing this in the way that you have, you've tarnished your personal reputation. If you're fine with that,…

The problem isn't _that_ uncommon. Google recruiters truly carpet bomb the market (as defined by LinkedIn, it seems) with introductions.

I only got them off my back after stating (twice) that I have a life and as such won't move ~10 timezones for a job.

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by kamaal »

benihana wrote: post #39

I think about my friends from high school and college who are struggling to find meaningful work when I read things like this. I try to imagine what it be like from their point and it comes off like an entitled prima donna is complaining about being recruited by what one of the coolest companies on earth. Honestly I think as an industry we should try to keep some perspective here.

Privileged people hardly ever realize they have any privilege. A bit like those rich kids who reject presents they don't consider expensive enough and then brag about it in front of their poor friends. Its likely some body from their group doesn't even have proper clothes to wear.

Either way it doesn't matter. Making statements as to what you can reject, is in reality a statement to give others an idea of what you currently have or are capable of getting.

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by DanBC »

kamaal wrote: post #112
benihana wrote: post #39

I think about my friends from high school and college who are struggling to find meaningful work when I read things like this. I try to imagine what it be like from their point and it comes off like an entitled prima donna is complaining about being recruited by what one of the coolest companies on earth. Honestly I think as an industry we should try to keep some perspective here.

Privileged people hardly ever realize they have any privilege. A bit like those rich kids who reject presents they don't consider expensive enough and then brag about it in front of their poor friends. Its likely some body from their group doesn't even have proper clothes to wear. Either way it doesn't matter. Making statements as to what you can reject, is in reality a statement to give others an idea of what you cu…

An example of kids being ungrateful for their christmas gifts.

http://imgur.com/x9sYDAQ

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

#114

Post by kamaal »

nknighthb wrote: post #88
jcdavis wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't change the fact that tech folk are unique in being so lucky in the current economic climate to be complaining about getting asked about job opporunities. I know plenty of people in other skilled fields who would be happy to hear back from any of the many companies they ask about jobs at

I don't think you fully understood my comment. Contact by a Google recruiter does not constitute a job opportunity. It constitutes a waste of time on a massive scale. Replace them with automated spambots and the effect is the same.

They very fact that we are now treating being contacted by recruiters as 'spam' shows the attitude of how we treat opportunities.

When being contacted for a >$100K an year job looks like annoyance you know we have lived too much in luxury and have no clue about the kind of problems ordinary people face.

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by victorhooi »

Hmm, I've had variable experiences with Google Recruiting.

I had one experience which was very good, with a Google Engineering team - I didn't end up passing through - but they made the experience fun (good questions), and they were very gracious hosts.

I had another with a Google Sales team in Australia - where they made me do some four-page online assessment, answer more questions - then booked me in for a phone interview at 09:00 - then emailed me at 17:00 the day before to cancel.

Their reason - oh yeah, the years of experience we required has changed...

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by nknighthb »

kamaal wrote: post #114
nknighthb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you fully understood my comment. Contact by a Google recruiter does not constitute a job opportunity. It constitutes a waste of time on a massive scale. Replace them with automated spambots and the effect is the same.

They very fact that we are now treating being contacted by recruiters as 'spam' shows the attitude of how we treat opportunities. When being contacted for a >$100K an year job looks like annoyance you know we have lived too much in luxury and have no clue about the kind of problems ordinary people face.

> They very fact that we are now treating being contacted by recruiters as 'spam' shows the attitude of how we treat opportunities.

No, it shows that Google's recruitment practices are broken and annoying. They contact a huge number of people who have absolutely no chance of being hired.

> When being contacted for a >$100K an year job

Again, that isn't what's happening here. It's not even how Google hires at all. When you're contacted by a Google recruiter, no matter what that clueless recruiter might say, there is no specific job you're going to be interviewed for.

If I'm looking for a job, I might interview once at each of half a dozen companies and get two or three offers. But I could easily go through half a dozen interview processes just with Google, never getting an offer.

This discussion isn't about tech recruitment. It's about Google recruitment, which is uniquely broken. Their recruiters go after any warm body they can find to throw into the grinder, qualified or not, good candidate or not.

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by nknighthb »

jcdavis wrote: post #101
nknighthb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you fully understood my comment. Contact by a Google recruiter does not constitute a job opportunity. It constitutes a waste of time on a massive scale. Replace them with automated spambots and the effect is the same.

And I don't think you fully understood mine. Regardless of the effectiveness (or lack therefore) of their recruiters, Google is still has over a thousand open positions (look for yourself: https://www.google.com/about/jobs/search/ ). None of my civil engineer friends are getting spammed by companies.

No non-Google tech employers are spamming people over and over again either. You're trying to turn a Google discussion into an industry discussion, which is just silly. This is about a Google problem, not an industry problem.

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by Bahamut »

magicalist wrote: post #13
Bahamut wrote: post #9

They seem to cast a wide net as far as their recruiting efforts goes. I kinda wish they put more effort into identifying unexperienced hires as well, as I remember expending quite some effort to try to get hired by Google after I left graduate school, but to no avail. Now I have shown my quick ability to learn (which was already proven by my education) in the world of development and now I get contacted...and I don't…

Why didn't you just apply? I imagine that a recommendation from a current employee would boost your chances, but I don't think a recruiter contacting you changes anything over just a resume submission, at least not at most companies.

I did before - multiple times.

Re: Dear Google Recruiting...

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Post by founder4fun »

nknighthb wrote: post #116
kamaal wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They very fact that we are now treating being contacted by recruiters as 'spam' shows the attitude of how we treat opportunities. When being contacted for a >$100K an year job looks like annoyance you know we have lived too much in luxury and have no clue about the kind of problems ordinary people face.

> They very fact that we are now treating being contacted by recruiters as 'spam' shows the attitude of how we treat opportunities. No, it shows that Google's recruitment practices are broken and annoying. They contact a huge number of people who have absolutely no chance of being hired. > When being contacted for a >$100K an year job Again, that isn't what's happening here. It's not even how Google hires at all. Whe…

Cool to see you speak elegantly on the problem.

The author who many here say he is a genius isn't much so when it comes to trying to convey his 1 percent problem. More so, with the tech elite current events being blogged about frequently.

Had he phrased it as you did above then it wouldn't have inflamed readers and the overall tech elite issue going on.

Us tech folks geniuses or not all have a lot to learn!

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