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Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by k-mcgrady »

Something similar happened to me. I had several company accounts with a page on each. I tried to login one day and Facebook requested ID. It seemed to happen to me when I tried to login via incognito mode in Chrome (so that I didn't have to logout of my main account first).

I still haven't entered the ID but I manage one of the pages for a business (I also manage their website, twitter etc.) and I'm either going to have to enter the ID or give up the job.

I can't see any reason Facebook require this. It seems like real scummy practice.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

#112

Post by halviti »

eksith wrote: post #105
grey-area wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody uses email This is an absurd statement - over 1 billion people use email, far more than actively use FB messages. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Many people don't. I've never had an account and never had a problem in my professional or social life as a result. It's just never come up. If your friends all use Facebook, tell them it's a bad idea (for ma…

I'll make a slight addendum: Most people have an email address if they frolic online, however I rarely meet people who prefer to conduct communications over it. Of course, they need one for FB or Twitter either way, but... Either they go to FB or DM over Twitter or some other "social thing", but they view email as far more cumbersome. This is especially true with family these days as the first question I get is, "are…

I've never used Twitter or Facebook, and I have zero problem communicating with friends and family, nor have I noticed any difference in my communication with anyone regardless of wherever they spend their free time on the internet.

If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want to reconsider how close those people are to you.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

#113

Post by sneak »

halviti wrote: post #112
eksith wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll make a slight addendum: Most people have an email address if they frolic online, however I rarely meet people who prefer to conduct communications over it. Of course, they need one for FB or Twitter either way, but... Either they go to FB or DM over Twitter or some other "social thing", but they view email as far more cumbersome. This is especially true with family these days as the first question I get is, "are…

I've never used Twitter or Facebook, and I have zero problem communicating with friends and family, nor have I noticed any difference in my communication with anyone regardless of wherever they spend their free time on the internet. If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want to reconsider how close those people are to you.

> If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want to reconsider how close those people are to you.

Indeed, it would be very neat if the world worked that way. Unfortunately, I have, and they are, and they don't use email.

I was on facebook for ~2 years, was off for five, and have been back on for about a month. The frequency and quality of communication with almost everyone I care about and don't see often (I moved continents from where I grew up) has increased dramatically.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

#114

Post by anoncow »

sneak wrote: post #87
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

Whatsapp runs on tablets without a SIM card. After sms verification fails, whatsapp calls your number and provides a verification code. There is sometimes an issue with play store not allowing you to install whatsapp, but that is easily fixed by downloading the apk fron the official website.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by duaneb »

sneak wrote: post #87
algorias wrote: post #2

With each passing day, I look less and less like a lunatic for avoiding facebook (and its ilk) like the plague. You should try it.

I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

> Not having a facebook account means that you are sabotaging your own communications effectiveness

Maybe if your social group consists of teenage girls, but who uses Facebook for serious communication these days? What I see from my newsfeed is a mixture of a photo repository, a phone book, and a "I'm passing through town are you available" bit. I don't recall having ever been hindered seriously by having a deactivated account.

EDIT: I should also note that this wasn't true 4-6 years ago, but I was also still in school.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by sneak »

anoncow wrote: post #114
sneak wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it for over five years. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opin…

Whatsapp runs on tablets without a SIM card. After sms verification fails, whatsapp calls your number and provides a verification code. There is sometimes an issue with play store not allowing you to install whatsapp, but that is easily fixed by downloading the apk fron the official website.

The fact that it isn't in the Play store is the problem, not the fact that it's not on my individual tablet.

Sideloading never "easily fix[es]" anything that needs to happen on hundreds of millions of mobile devices owned largely by nontechnical users.

Network effect, remember?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

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Post by eksith »

halviti wrote: post #112
eksith wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll make a slight addendum: Most people have an email address if they frolic online, however I rarely meet people who prefer to conduct communications over it. Of course, they need one for FB or Twitter either way, but... Either they go to FB or DM over Twitter or some other "social thing", but they view email as far more cumbersome. This is especially true with family these days as the first question I get is, "are…

I've never used Twitter or Facebook, and I have zero problem communicating with friends and family, nor have I noticed any difference in my communication with anyone regardless of wherever they spend their free time on the internet. If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want to reconsider how close those people are to you.

  >If someone can't be bothered to send you an e-mail or call, you might want 
  to reconsider how close those people are to you.
My relationship with my family is completely orthogonal to their choice of platform.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

#118

Post by gngeal »

sneak wrote: post #99
gngeal wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Texting is expensive and regional, and nobody uses email, wants to remember email addresses or IM handles, or deal with spam. WhatsApp totally fucked themselves by not running on tablets. For lots of people, the most effective way to reach them quickly is facebook messaging. That's fact, not opinion, and how intrusive or shitty facebook is totally irrelevant to that point. Not having a facebook account means that yo…

> The people who'd do this are exactly those people I don't feel any need to communicate with. Okay, so you're a snob. Doesn't change the fact that you're shooting yourself in the foot. There's nothing about wanting to be able to effectively communicate with people who use facebook messaging as their primary form of textual comms that dictates or necessitates a hectic social life.

Okay, so you're a snob.

No, I'm just an introvert. I have a few people to who I feel deeply connected to, and our exchanges are rare yet substantial. But these don't require IM or anything like that. I don't know anything about "shooting myself in the foot". I just don't have the impulses that some other people do (frankly, for me as a schizoid, people are very puzzling entities).

Also, "effectively communicate" is such wonderfully non-specific expression that I don't know what that even means.

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

#119

Post by gngeal »

eksith wrote: post #105
grey-area wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody uses email This is an absurd statement - over 1 billion people use email, far more than actively use FB messages. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Many people don't. I've never had an account and never had a problem in my professional or social life as a result. It's just never come up. If your friends all use Facebook, tell them it's a bad idea (for ma…

I'll make a slight addendum: Most people have an email address if they frolic online, however I rarely meet people who prefer to conduct communications over it. Of course, they need one for FB or Twitter either way, but... Either they go to FB or DM over Twitter or some other "social thing", but they view email as far more cumbersome. This is especially true with family these days as the first question I get is, "are…

Either they go to FB or DM over Twitter or some other "social thing", but they view email as far more cumbersome.

E-mail clients need to be reinvented. There's no real reason for e-mail operation to be cumbersome. I mean, we have such a wonderful, decentralized, asynchronous messaging protocol based on pure text; why do most (if not virtually all) client applications suck so badly?

Re: Fury at Facebook as login requests “Government ID”

#120

Post by grey-area »

sneak wrote: post #100
grey-area wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody uses email This is an absurd statement - over 1 billion people use email, far more than actively use FB messages. Many people use facebook messaging as their primary form of text communication these days. Many people don't. I've never had an account and never had a problem in my professional or social life as a result. It's just never come up. If your friends all use Facebook, tell them it's a bad idea (for ma…

> If they can't be bothered, they are not your friends. This is demonstrably false, and suggests that you don't like people very much.

This is demonstrably false

And yet you have neglected to demonstrate it. No misanthropy here thanks, you should adjust your assumptions. Perhaps we just disagree on the meaning of the word friend - I'd take it to mean someone who you know outside of FB and via other means of communication, someone who is willing to put in the minimal effort of emailing/texting/calling to contact you individually? Someone who doesn't I would consider an acquaintance at best.

If you make a decision to remain on FB and find it valuable, that's totally fine, but don't try to extend your judgement of its utility and experience of communication to everyone.

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