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Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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What 10 links would a hypothetically perfect search engine return for that query? Edit: Judging from the replies, many of you seem to think my question was "how many ads would a perfect search engine show?" Please note that this is not what I asked.

The "hypothetically perfect search" has absolutely zero ads and only shows results based on merit, not how much somebody was willing to pay. Why is that so hard to understand for Google employees? Your founders wrote a bit about this back in the day you know: Currently, the predominant business model for commercial search engines is advertising. The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to…

> The "hypothetically perfect search" has absolutely zero ads and only shows results based on merit

Right. What ten results should it show you when you search for "trash cans"?

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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> This isn't a banner ad. This is not a duck, its merely an animal that came from a female duck that happens to live in the water and share a nest with other ducks. A banner ad, by definition, is a paid add that is an image. Google is showing banner ads for any definition of the word.

It walks like a duck but it doesn't quack like a duck. It shows up upon your specific input of the company name. I'm not sure what to call it, but 'advertisement' seems ill-fitting. Now if it showed up when you typed a generic term like 'airline' I would agree it was an ad. But does it?

It will.

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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post #68

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Good to know that the company that holds my email, appointments, two-factor-auth, credit card number, and search data has the reliability of a flaky college freshman. Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations (when they're not insisting that no corporation would ever be so stupid as to break a highly visible promise because the outcry would be…

> Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations At some point, people realize that corporations exist to maximize profit and not necessarily for the good of the customer.

I think the Guardian knows what a corporation is. That does not imply that they can't complain about corporate decisions.

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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post #91
post #68

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Good to know that the company that holds my email, appointments, two-factor-auth, credit card number, and search data has the reliability of a flaky college freshman. Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations (when they're not insisting that no corporation would ever be so stupid as to break a highly visible promise because the outcry would be…

> Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia, Jeremy. Welcome to the real world!

It didn't take very long to reinforce Godwin's Law on this thread...

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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Today I learned you can pay Google to appear at the top of the organic search results.

1. Prove it. Don't make up examples. 2. Official pages already have the ability to skip the queue, for free.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/24/google-bre...

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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post #91
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to know that the company that holds my email, appointments, two-factor-auth, credit card number, and search data has the reliability of a flaky college freshman. Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations (when they're not insisting that no corporation would ever be so stupid as to break a highly visible promise because the outcry would be…

> Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia, Jeremy. Welcome to the real world!

Here's the reference for those that haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOeiEKemWeA

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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post #72

Are we putting that much significance from a quote in 2005 by a Google executive who has since left Google? While some see it as a social utility, Google is a $350B public company that generates its revenues from advertisements. 8 years ago, the world of advertising (and the world in general), was a different place. Holding Google accountable for something so far in the past by someone who is no longer there is a see…

Indeed - 8 years is a long long time. And who is actually harmed? Would it be less evil if Google had to put banner ads up to make payroll?

Would it be less evil if Google had to put banner ads up to make payroll?

I think so. Google can't really pass this off as "the economic situation forces us to make a really difficult choice."

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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post #108

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From Wikipedia article: [1] "In the law of contract, an exchange of promises is usually held to be legally enforceable, according to the Latin maxim pacta sunt servanda." [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise

"Exchange" is the critical word. A single promise is extraordinarily different, in the legal world, from a contract.

Ok, let's try with another wikipedia article: [1]

"A contract is a legally enforceable promise or undertaking that something will or will not occur. * The word promise can be used as a legal synonym for contract *,[2] although care is required as a promise may not have the full standing of a contract, as when it is an agreement without consideration"

Emphasis is mine :)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_law

Re: Google breaks 2005 promise never to show banner ads on search results

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The full quote is still true. "There will be no banner ads on the Google homepage or web search results pages. There will not be crazy, flashy, graphical doodads flying and popping up all over the Google site. Ever." -Marissa Mayer That "banner" is not a "crazy, flashy, graphical doodad". That is pretty much the company's logo.

The full quote would still be true even if it were a crazy, flashy, graphical doodad as long as it isn't flying around.
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