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Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by Freaky »

Osiris wrote: post #26
yareally wrote: post #16

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I think you're generally correct about users not caring about the rendering engine for the most part. I wouldn't care at all that they ditched Presto if it meant they retained all the previous features and user interface they had before transitioning. However, I am worried that is unlikely to happen. Looking at the course Blink based Opera has taken thus far, it doesn't look like they're focusing on keeping current u…

I still use Opera 12 because of the lack of features in the new version. My biggest pet peevs: Ctrl+Tab behavior (Opera default was 'previous tab' now it's 'next tab') and no thumbnails tabs on the left, and they removed the email client.

While it's lacking the menu, there is at least opera://flags/#activation-order-tab-cycling now.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by Dylan16807 »

iSnow wrote: post #69
vijucat wrote: post #64

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> and they've been netscaped out of mobile. Not sure what you mean. Just FYI : at least on Android phones, among FF, Chrome, Opera (and the default browser), Opera's text flow is the best by far. You can zoom in and read any article on any site, and it does just the right thing. There is honestly an element of fear when you use Firefox for the same thing: it's absolutely unpredictable what it will do when you zoom in…

>There is honestly an element of fear when you use Firefox for the same thing I don't know what you mean. No Android browser matches mobile Safari for the slickness of zooming into pages, but FF mobile just works fine.

Does your mobile firefox give different sizes to every comment on HN because it thinks longer sentences need bigger fonts? Mine does.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by tiatia »

da_n wrote: post #77
presty wrote: post #50

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what hosting provider are you looking into, for iceland?

So far I've looked into 1984hosting.com and orangewebsite.com, both pricey compared to what I'm used to but I guess that is the price of better privacy. There is a cheaper one called icelandvps.com but they are owned by a UK parent company so I am little unclear about what that means for Iceland law, privacy etc. It may be cheaper to go to a German host, I am not yet decided.

Dude, I am looking too. Try this: http://www.edis.at/en/server/linux-vserver/iceland/vrs-micro...

Austrian company but they offer hosting in Iceland. I once tried Malaysia. Bad idead, lot's of spam from Malaysia. Lost 50% of my Email due to blacklisting...

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by da_n »

tiatia wrote: post #113
da_n wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far I've looked into 1984hosting.com and orangewebsite.com, both pricey compared to what I'm used to but I guess that is the price of better privacy. There is a cheaper one called icelandvps.com but they are owned by a UK parent company so I am little unclear about what that means for Iceland law, privacy etc. It may be cheaper to go to a German host, I am not yet decided.

Dude, I am looking too. Try this: http://www.edis.at/en/server/linux-vserver/iceland/vrs-micro... Austrian company but they offer hosting in Iceland. I once tried Malaysia. Bad idead, lot's of spam from Malaysia. Lost 50% of my Email due to blacklisting...

Nice link I'll definitely give them a try, thanks!

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by beagle3 »

telephonetemp wrote: post #36
beagle3 wrote: post #21

If anyone at Opera is reading this: Please open source Carakan and Presto - don't let them rot, and us hackers have what to learn with them (and potentially do with them). GPL is fine, and may let you still monetize it. (And ... it's not like it's giving you any advantage - you've switched away from both)

Opera Mini still uses Presto. It is quite popular still, especially where people can't get 3G or better coverage.

Is Carakan being used in anything other than older Desktop Operas?

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by dgesang »

apa-sl wrote: post #70
Osiris wrote: post #26

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I still use Opera 12 because of the lack of features in the new version. My biggest pet peevs: Ctrl+Tab behavior (Opera default was 'previous tab' now it's 'next tab') and no thumbnails tabs on the left, and they removed the email client.

I'm also sticking to Opera 12, missing quite a lot of features in the Blink version...

http://operabrowser.wikispaces.com/Features

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by Aldo_MX »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #110
Aldo_MX wrote: post #109

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Porting features usually mean to redesign them to match the new codebase/paradigm. It's not as simple as copy/pasting code...

Nobody said it was simple. The problem is that they shouldn't have tossed out the old code if they weren't going to be able to replace it.

So you are suggesting them to maintain two different codebases during the transition rather than focus all their efforts to the new version to make the transition as short as possible?

IMHO they did the correct choice, every new version Opera will difference itself more and more of Chromium. You can continue to use Opera 12.16 until they take the decision to pull the trigger to completely kill 12.16 auto-updating it...

Remember the transition from Firefox 3.6 to the current Firefox, they didn't kill 3.6 until they reached version 12.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by benologist »

Aldo_MX wrote: post #117
Dylan16807 wrote: post #110

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Nobody said it was simple. The problem is that they shouldn't have tossed out the old code if they weren't going to be able to replace it.

So you are suggesting them to maintain two different codebases during the transition rather than focus all their efforts to the new version to make the transition as short as possible? IMHO they did the correct choice, every new version Opera will difference itself more and more of Chromium. You can continue to use Opera 12.16 until they take the decision to pull the trigger to completely kill 12.16 auto-updating it.…

There was literally nothing to stop them delaying the release by 1 - 2 months and delivering more than a bare-bones Chrome.

Opera sets their own schedule beholden to nobody.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by autonomy77 »

nmjenkins wrote: post #91
autonomy77 wrote: post #63

Not impressed with Fastmail - I tried their free offer, wasn't impressed, and didn't sign up for the paid service. I've since had over 100 (yup) emails telling me of my "OVERDUE PAYMENT" (the caps are theirs), and they ignore correspondence requesting that they stop. Marketing via harrassment - interesting tactic, and incredibly bad form, IMHO.

(I work for FastMail) Many apologies about this. It was due to an unexpected interaction with our billing system when we added the free trial functionality. We never intended to spam or harass people who decided FastMail wasn't for them. We fixed this about a month ago and overhauled the wording in our notices as well to make them friendlier and easier to understand.

To nmjenkins, thanks for the reply and apology - please do not take this as a personal shot: I appreciate that issues occur with automated systems - but ignoring emails of complaint sent to addresses advertised on your website suggests that a different issue is in play. Not one of my emails was replied to, and the lasting impression is that - as I do not wish to become a customer - there was no point in responding at all to my complaint. Your reply above is appreciated, however - thank you.

Re: FastMail staff purchase the business from Opera

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Post by gsnedders »

sp332 wrote: post #104
gsnedders wrote: post #93

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Fit-to-width did all kinds of magic at a layout engine level — it's not that simple to just reimplement on top of a new engine. And then there's the question as to whether Google would let an implementation would ever get upstreamed to Blink.

Why would Google not want such a cool feature?

It'd be a deep, pervasive runtime option across a lot of code.
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