Holy crap. Groklaw? I'd never for one second thought that the fall out from the NSA debacle would reach so far as to cause Groklaw to be shut down. PJ feels extremely genuine here, she is definitely not using this as an excuse. Wow. There is something very unhealthy in the air or in the water these days. Lots of people seem to be totally immune to the consequences of rampant surveillance and frankly bizarre powers ex…
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#112How feasible is Freenet for email? We can use PGP today, but the metadata is available to all. But what journalists who need to communicate more anonymously that that used pseudonymous PGP keys - one per story, rather one per person, and posted encrypted messages on Freenet?
It's just non-feasible. Freenet is a distributed file/web database, not realtime internet.
There seems to be research under way to get a messaging protocol built into GNUnet. Google turns up this pdf [2] for example.
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#113This is such depressing news. And I've been trying to think of a way to solve this technically, but the Government has the five dollar wrench, and all we have is the crypto. Code will not be enough, the system only respects one thing, money. If enough people move to services outside of the States, the real people in power will tell the government to reinstate at least some civil liberties and human rights. But even t…
What service can we trust at this point?
After the Evo Morales flight debacle, it's pretty clear that their five dollar wrench works equally well on other nations as well.
The internet is broken, everywhere.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> we need entirely new communication protocols Whole new enforcement of privacy laws, you mean?
No, I mean protocols. While elsewhere in the comments, there is the sentiment that "you can't code yourself out of this", my hopes of voting myself out of it (or otherwise "fixing" a system, as if it was just accidentally "broken") are much lower. (But note that "protocols" may also have non-technological components.)
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really comes down to lobbying lots and lots of politicians who can stop the NSA by significantly slashing its funding or by enforcing existing laws. The Occupy movement showed that revolutions don't work in a state where government and police will conspire against its citizens by infiltrating and undermining its civil rights movements.
The problem with Occupy was that there was no demanded reforms, only complaints and protests against things. Protests aren't ever enough though. It is telling how little credibility Occupy had with Washington when Obama, giving his jobs speech during the protests, called for the deregulation of Wall St.
It would be more correct, though, to say that "demands" weren't really the point of Occupy. They changed the national dialogue, and made a LOT of traditional euphamisms and arguments obsolete and useless by putting the core issue of class warfare back up in front where it belongs.
"Cutting out decades of distraction an propaganda" may not have been an explicit "goal", but it was certainly a victory for the movement.
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#116Since we weren't allowed to say it when it was relevant, and the point was muddled and trampled on in pseudo-rational debates (“Can you find evidence that they’re abusing this new legislation?”, etc.), I'll go ahead and say it now: it's happening. There's still a big world outside the Internet, and yet ironically, we live in a world where some employers are so stupid that they won't hire someone without a Facebook, m…
The comparison that some have made between the US Government and Stasi is more accurate than you think, with regards of Zersetzung:
> By the 1970s, the Stasi had decided that methods of overt persecution which had been employed up to that time, such as arrest and torture, were too crude and obvious. It was realised that psychological harassment was far less likely to be recognised for what it was, so its victims, and their supporters, were less likely to be provoked into active resistance, given that they would often not be aware of the source of their problems, or even its exact nature. Zersetzung was designed to side-track and "switch off" perceived enemies so that they would lose the will to continue any "inappropriate" activities.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi#Zersetzung
Data mining is a very interest challenge and represents a major step in large-scale computing technology, but it pales in comparison to data manipulation.
Imagine for a moment if the intelligence-surveillance apparatus were redirected outward: methods used for parsing human communication would be re-purposed for disseminating seemingly-human propaganda. Who you're responding to on Twitter, reddit, or HN may not be a person.
Imagine for a moment if spammers were quite a bit more convincing in their emails, and that their poor grammar and spelling were improved.
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#117I guess I don't get it. Didn't we "know" about things like Carnivore in the 90s? Isn't it rather expected that unencrypted communications are going to be gathered? You don't even need a nation-state to do so. Anyone with physical access can place taps, and parsing and saving port 25 traffic ain't exactly Manhattan Project level work. I agree it's upsetting and citizens should be demanding oversight. But to assume you…
I know. We're all so gullible and dumb right? Tell me. You're speaking with a friend in a public square or park in your town. You're not speaking in code with your friend. Judging by what you just said I expect you assume your every conversation is being monitored. We have certain expectations of privacy and basic human decency. Just because it's possible to wiretap and hoover up all unencrypted communications I woul…
You should be aware of the possibility that someone may be eavesdropping in this situation, yes.
>We have certain expectations of privacy and basic human decency.
Our expectations of privacy are valid in private contexts, like a home or business. Public contexts, like a busy shopping center or the internet, do not contain inherent guarantees of privacy. Even though one can normally assume that no one dangerous is listening in, it's a risk you always take when you engage in any conversation or behavior in a visible location.
>Just because it's possible to wiretap and hoover up all unencrypted communications I wouldn't have concluded that the spooks are doing so because I would have thought they wouldn't stoop to this behaviour.
This is pretty naive. Whenever there is a large benefit:cost ratio in play, people should expect that someone at some point _will_ stoop to that level. The ability to record and filter huge portions of worldwide communication is obviously hugely beneficial to all nation-states, so they're obviously going to do it. There are even some who would argue that this is not fundamentally immoral, so it's an even less clear-cut case than things that are obviously fundamentally immoral, meaning it should've been even more expected.
These monitoring programs have been occurring for a long time, most likely since Snowden was a child.
>You don't have to show us all how smart you are, we know already -- so you can keep these types of comments to yourself.
I think just the opposite. We should be using this as an opportunity to educate everyone on the critical importance of encryption (analogous to placing your comms in a sealed envelope, instead of leaving them bare on a postcard), not express moral outrage that some people would "stoop so low". I guess if you're into that, you can do that too (I find it trite, personally), but it shouldn't be done at the expense of the resolution to this problem, which is widespread adoption of full client-side encryption.
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#118yes lets all bend over and take it up the ass...
because someone says what they learned makes them not want to use e-mail? this is precisely the opposite of how to stand up to oppression.
no matter what it is the response should not be "well i'm going to stop being free and let them oppress me" you may as well just lay down and die in my mind...
you are born free whether you like it or not and nobody can take that away but yourself.
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#119When folks like Lavabit and Groklaw preemptively shut down because they cannot take the security & privacy of their communications for granted, it makes me wonder the converse: how are other companies that deal in sensitive information (patents, lawsuits, competitive bids etc.) dealing with it? Have they resigned themselves to it? Are they devising new corporate communication policies that assume always-on surveillan…
I doubt many companies care about it. My personal information for my apartment is stored on an FTP server and their offices use WEP encryption on their WiFI. They have a scan of my passport, every facet of information about me; if their storage was compromised it would be fairly devastating to their tens of thousands of clients. Unfortunately I have no clout regarding the storage of this information, and no choice as…
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#120...Can PJ not figure out GnuPG? Is she officially retiring from any and all digital correspondence contrary to her notice that "[her] email [addresses] still work"? She says she's getting off the internet to whatever extent possible, and then asks people to continue to send her mail. I also find it cute that people believe facilities based in other Western nations are outside of the NSA's reach. I gotta say that stop…
I'm sure she can, but by doing so has reduced the set of people capable of sending her mail significantly by imposing the requirement that they figure out GnuPG before they send her an email.