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Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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What's the carding world?

People who steal credit cards (usually in industrial quantities, often mag stripe data), then use those credit cards fraudulently. You get credit cards by retail theft (corrupt waitstaff, etc.), site breakins (particularly before PCI and vaulting, when every crappy ecommerce site had a bunch of card data lying around), compromises at network participants like acquirers, corrupt staff, etc. There are whole communities…

That sounds like a lot of effort and genuine technical skill to invest in crime. If that is true, you have to wonder what motivates people to do it. Is it really profitable enough to be rationally worth the risk if you don't care about the ethics involved, or is it that the people who do it can't find legitimate employment where they live due to the state of the local economy or have personal traits that prevent them from being employed?

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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People who steal credit cards (usually in industrial quantities, often mag stripe data), then use those credit cards fraudulently. You get credit cards by retail theft (corrupt waitstaff, etc.), site breakins (particularly before PCI and vaulting, when every crappy ecommerce site had a bunch of card data lying around), compromises at network participants like acquirers, corrupt staff, etc. There are whole communities…

That sounds like a lot of effort and genuine technical skill to invest in crime. If that is true, you have to wonder what motivates people to do it. Is it really profitable enough to be rationally worth the risk if you don't care about the ethics involved, or is it that the people who do it can't find legitimate employment where they live due to the state of the local economy or have personal traits that prevent them…

1) It's incredibly profitable for some of the participants

2) Until maybe 2007, there were not a whole lot of comparably-profitable licit opportunities for Eastern Europeans. The contract marketplaces have helped. We really need to fix our immigration system in the US (and, worldwide, really) to help more.

3) A lot of the more dangerous parts are essentially blue collar crime; this is FAR safer than drugs/prostitution/human trafficking/terrorism/armed robbery/etc., so it's a clear decision for those guys.

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The kinds of things he is saying are very widely espoused by people of similar mindset. If you were trying to profile based on political beliefs and agitation he could easily be me. (he isn't, for what that's worth, I personally know thousands of others that fit in the exact same category and I am sure there are many, many more.)

>[You] personally know thousands of others that fit in the exact same category. "personally know thousands". Let that sink in.

Robin Dunbar disagrees with this huge monkeysphere

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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Whether it's a victimless crime or not depends on where they source the drugs. You could argue that aggressive law-enforcement is what causes reprisal violence, but that still wouldn't justify supporting it in another way.

So I smoke normal, legal cigarettes. About 10 a day, 20 when I'm stressed. I started about 20, borrowing them off friends, and it's been maybe 8 years now. The first 2 years, I didn't realize I was addicted to them. I just smoked when I wanted, which was between every lecture and with my friends in the evening. Then I tried to stop. Quitting smoking is weird because sometimes you can just stop, and don't feel the nee…

@drivebyacct2: I'm hoping what you read wasn't what I meant. I meant that, I can't agree with the view that people should have the right to decide what they put in their bodies, because it is based on the idea they are making a rational decision. As addictive substances is a situation where people repeatably make irrational, bad choices, then that can't hold.

Like a lot of startupers know most new companies crash, but believe they are different, I believe that I will quite smoking one day (just never today). So I don't need protection. Obviously. But other people do. Hopefully I'm someone elses other people.

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The kinds of things he is saying are very widely espoused by people of similar mindset. If you were trying to profile based on political beliefs and agitation he could easily be me. (he isn't, for what that's worth, I personally know thousands of others that fit in the exact same category and I am sure there are many, many more.)

>[You] personally know thousands of others that fit in the exact same category. "personally know thousands". Let that sink in.

I guess I should clarify what I mean by that;

I do not physically interact with the people in question on a regular basis in meatspace, but the mindset is basically the bedrock of near every anarcho capitalist focused community in existence, and within this sphere I have regularly observed at least that many frequent participants on discussions.

So the idea that the position held is useful in identifying who that person might actually be based on its rarity is not very plausible. Unless all those people are actually just sock puppets I suppose?

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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People who steal credit cards (usually in industrial quantities, often mag stripe data), then use those credit cards fraudulently. You get credit cards by retail theft (corrupt waitstaff, etc.), site breakins (particularly before PCI and vaulting, when every crappy ecommerce site had a bunch of card data lying around), compromises at network participants like acquirers, corrupt staff, etc. There are whole communities…

That sounds like a lot of effort and genuine technical skill to invest in crime. If that is true, you have to wonder what motivates people to do it. Is it really profitable enough to be rationally worth the risk if you don't care about the ethics involved, or is it that the people who do it can't find legitimate employment where they live due to the state of the local economy or have personal traits that prevent them…

2-4% of all credit card transactions are fraudulent. Credit card fraud is a $200B+/year business.

It's extremely lucrative. You can learn and buy everything you need to get started on the open Internet.

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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To quote Chomsky, 'ever product made in a capitalist society requires some level of coercion', from Chinese Iphones to Colombian cocaine.

Why doesn't he go ahead and state the logical extension of that, which is that every product made in any organized society requires some level of coercion? Chomsky is long on criticisms of capitalism but short on suggestions for replacing it.

Illumination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYth0ktPsY

Re: Meet the Dread Pirate Roberts, the man behind Silk Road

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Incorrect comma usage, actually. You can't omit the Oxford comma (the comma before an "and") with a list of exactly 3 items. If you do, the middle item in the list can be parsed too many different ways, as happened here.

I beg to differ. I don't see how an oxford comma would fix this confusion. In fact I think without it his statement is easier to understand. We can easily see he means three people. If he used the Oxford comma the second person would look identical to a preposition and would make your parents comment more valid.

The easiest way to fix the sentence is to put the least precise term at the end + using the oxford comma.

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