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Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by saundby »

auctiontheory wrote: post #90
vorporeal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social and Promotions should basically just contain the "unimportant crap". If something is mis-categorized, you can drag it to the correct section and Gmail should learn from its mistake. Also, as mentioned below, you can revert to the un-tabbed inbox by going to the Inbox section of the settings and disabling all tabs other than Primary, or by selecting one of the split inboxes (Unread first, Priority, etc). Discla…

When I receive "unimportant crap," I either unsubscribe to the list that sent it, or mark it as spam. I do not leave crap lying around and then add another management dimension to my Inbox to deal with it.

I wish I could give you more than one upvote. Perhaps even a googol of them.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by batiudrami »

auctiontheory wrote: post #90
vorporeal wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social and Promotions should basically just contain the "unimportant crap". If something is mis-categorized, you can drag it to the correct section and Gmail should learn from its mistake. Also, as mentioned below, you can revert to the un-tabbed inbox by going to the Inbox section of the settings and disabling all tabs other than Primary, or by selecting one of the split inboxes (Unread first, Priority, etc). Discla…

When I receive "unimportant crap," I either unsubscribe to the list that sent it, or mark it as spam. I do not leave crap lying around and then add another management dimension to my Inbox to deal with it.

There are things that are interesting - news of upcoming band tours, shipping updates, phone bills - but not of importance when I first check my emails in the morning.

Plus, it has the added benefit that emails which land in anything but the main inbox don't notify your phone, removing a distraction.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by stock_toaster »

ReidZB wrote: post #103
stock_toaster wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like fastmail. Their two-factor auth leaves something to be desired though -- I also wish there was an imap/smtp only password type.

Agreed on the two-factor auth bit: their implementation seems a bit wacky. (At least, their Google Authenticator TOTP implementation. It seemed like their Yubikey implementation was pretty good, but I don't have a Yubikey.) However, their "alternative login" thing is pretty useful. I have separate (completely random) passwords for the IMAP sync for my phone and work machine, so I can revoke those at any time without…

Indeed. And the 'regular' alternative logins do have _somewhat_ limited access, but to be usable for pop/imap/smtp they have to be of type 'full access'.

'full access' regular logins can do _everything_ but modify other alternative logins. If you happen to have domain admin rights added to your login (eg. not the main domain admin account), regular logins can even do that!

I would probably pay double for an "imap/smtp only login" feature. ;)

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by csallen »

auctiontheory wrote: post #89
Simucal wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize this is subjective, but I personally love the tabbed inbox. Having all the "promotional" emails I get sent moved to a separate tab where I only have to look at them when I want to has completely tamed my inbox. My primary tab now only has messages that I care about. I only wish it was implemented in a way that all clients could utilize it. I personally don't use the Gmail iOS client because I have several w…

That's what Filters and Labels are for.

Exactly. It astonishes me how few people make use of filters and labels.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by stock_toaster »

frenger wrote: post #80
stock_toaster wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like fastmail. Their two-factor auth leaves something to be desired though -- I also wish there was an imap/smtp only password type.

I moved to Fastmail too because they're Australian, though I later found out Australia is PRISM-compatible: http://www.theage.com.au/world/snowden-reveals-australias-li... > "Mr Snowden said that the other partners in the "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance of the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand 'sometimes go even further than the [National Security Agency] people themselves.'" edit: got link wron…

;_;

I actually looked for a mail service (besides google) inside the USA, because I figured spying on non-citizen services would be even more prevalent. But it came down to rackspace email (which was "just ok" but lacked any kind of two factor auth/alternative logins) and fastmail (which I found nicer).

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by gcb0 »

nnethercote wrote: post #68
gcb0 wrote: post #56

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undo send is dumb and the worst name/implementation. i'd either add a dialog (with default selected button being Cancel) or replace the Send button with a Preview button, which would show the message the same way you read a message, and there you would have the Send button.

Undo send is great. It lets you undo the one time in a hundred that you make a mistake. Your solution would require that everybody click through an additional dialog on every single email sent. Letting people recover from uncommon mistakes is better than ham-fisted and annoying mechanisms that attempt to prevent the mistake.

"undo" email does nothing else than create a false sense of security.

It probably works for the impatient that is hitting ctrl+enter (or whatever shortcut) too soon by muscle memory. but then it should be called delayed send to not give a false mental model to the user.

the current model is preventing the real mistakes for probably 1/10 of the cases it's needed. and enticing less care and probably bumping the rate in the end.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by VikingCoder »

babuskov wrote: post #26
VikingCoder wrote: post #4

- Get a 1920x1080 monitor. No, really. Decent ones are cheap and awesome. That said, sure, GMail could support other resolutions better. I have to make my window tiny in order to make Reply remotely unusable - what's your problem with it? - I have the "Undo Send" Labs features enabled, so I can undo a lot more than your unintentional sends. I can undo my intentional but ill-considered sends, too. - I can go to Google…

- I cannot get 1920x1080 monitor on a laptop. It would defeat the purpose. My problem is this: http://backwardcompatible.net/images/gmail.png * top posting is useless when you have long e-mail with 6-10 points to address in it. * being able to see 7 lines at a time is my real problem * the other real problem is when I have a 100-line email with 10 points to address in it and 10th point ends on line 34, I want to be a…

Your problem is that you have two lines of bookmarks all of the time? Your problem is that you don't auto-hide your taskbar? Your problem is that your version of Firefox shows a menu bar all the time for no reason? =)

Or is your problem that you've never clicked on the drop-down at the top left of your reply, and clicked, "Pop out reply"?

You probably just didn't know about that last one, which is understandable - it's a bit hidden. But I think it solves easily half of your complaint.

As to the editing quoted text, another HN'er responded adequately to that point.

Google engineers do use Firefox, and they do pay attention to people without large screens. Your assertions otherwise are baseless.

You don't wait for "Undo Send." The server politely waits a few seconds for you - you're free to do whatever you want.

I was just curious if you were using some ancient Internet Explorer.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by VikingCoder »

_pmf_ wrote: post #96
johnyzee wrote: post #14

GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

Having to use the new Google Groups, I'm really, really glad I never went the GMail way. Seriously, the Groups interface is an abomination. "Post" at the top? Really? I had to look for about 30 seconds to find the button when switching from the clear old Google Groups interface to the new mess. "Ma, look! We're native mobile! Ma! MA! Look! Mobile! Ma!"

You had to look for 30 seconds to find the giant, red, all-caps, "NEW TOPIC" button?

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by VikingCoder »

jarek wrote: post #85
tr4656 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With high density displays these days, 1080p on a 13" laptop or other smaller laptops is possible

It might be possible, but sadly it's rarely been done at any reasonable screen quality. And it seems like an overkill to choose a laptop based on its resolution when you could just have the app not waste space instead.

The Chrome Pixel has a 12.85" display at 2560 x 1700.

We did chose laptops based on their resolutions. Otherwise, you'd still be using an 80x24 character display monitor.

Like this bad boy:

http://craphound.com/images/compaqmmex.jpg

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by jarek »

VikingCoder wrote: post #119
jarek wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be possible, but sadly it's rarely been done at any reasonable screen quality. And it seems like an overkill to choose a laptop based on its resolution when you could just have the app not waste space instead.

The Chrome Pixel has a 12.85" display at 2560 x 1700. We did chose laptops based on their resolutions. Otherwise, you'd still be using an 80x24 character display monitor. Like this bad boy: http://craphound.com/images/compaqmmex.jpg

Yes, and the Pixel and a handful of laptops from Asus and Samsung are the only 1080 px or higher small laptop options around. The mainstream has stagnated around 700-800 px for 12-13" for over a decade now, and when someone puts 900 vertical pixels in a sub-14" laptop it's still out of the ordinary. We did move up since the Portable in 1983, but we haven't advanced much past the X21 in 2001.
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