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Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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"diet and exercise" He went in the "personality diet" direction, not just diet, which was pretty weird because he basically went paleo although is being very careful not to use the phrase. Tip toe all around it. I don't know if there's a legal explosion going on or what about the term, because I've noticed this elsewhere. The Paleo thing is pretty easy to implement if you know anything about food, most of the time, t…

> It really pisses people off because there's no diet industry personalities to make money, no guilt inducing neo-puritanism, no weird expensive foods to buy. Grains and legumes are a lot less expensive than grass-fed beef.

So... eat a carrot?

I will admit there is a societal trend to just relabel high meat low carb atkins type diets as paleo, and be done with it. That doesn't mean the paleo diet is "eat organic steaks every night".

As a programmer/hacker community the best analogy I can give is my impression of a venn diagram of a atkins/low carb type diet is the circle for the diet mostly contains meat and not much else. And the venn for a paleo diet also contains a small circle for meat, along with a whoppin big circle for fruit/veg/nuts. True both don't have grains/beans, and neither are vegetarian, but thats about it for similarity.

Another interesting analogy is the ideal stereotypical atkins low carb meal probably is a steak as per your example. The stereotypical paleo meal is probably a big ole salad full of veggies with a normal sized grilled chicken breast on top (not one of those mutant ones the size of your forearm).

Finally having fooled around with both diets a low carb ketone mode diet is super sensitive to what you eat; highly disciplined. Eat one apple and you've ruined days of work getting into ketone mode. On the other hand a paleo type diet has more to do with priorities and general trends. Always have more bags from the produce aisle in the cart than bags from the breakfast cereal aisle, that type of thing. I had a bowl of ice cream at a celebration for my son last night; under a paleo diet that's fine, once in a while... just don't eat that kind of stuff every day (or every week). Its not good for you. I drank a beer last weekend too.

Finally grains and legumes will make you fat then die, assuming you get enough of them (not starvation mode). If life's worth living, find a way not to fail at it. Right back to the first line, eat a carrot or something.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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> 1. You lose weight by eating less calories than your body uses. (As a corollary, you almost definitely consume more calories than you think you do. Get a calorie-counting app.) If this is true, why don't we become incredibly fat or skinny over time? It would require incredible precision to maintain weight. But a lot of people seem to be able to do it with no effort... The reason why this is not true is simple: our…

If this is true, why don't we become incredibly fat or skinny over time? It would require incredible precision to maintain weight. But a lot of people seem to be able to do it with no effort... Because the amount you require for maintenance is proportional to your bodyweight. If you eat more than you need, you become fatter. As you become fatter, the amount of calories you need for maintenance goes up as well. The ca…

That's all true, but still irrelevant to the question of fixing the obesity epidemic.

"Calories eaten per day" is not a free variable. It's governed by a control loop within the brain. In a healthy person, appetite adjusts to compensate for calorie surplus or deficit. We have an epidemic because that control loop is getting damaged. People have a hard time discussing this because they treat it as a moral issue. But it's clear that recruiting our frontal cortex to count calories should not be necessary -- every mammal needs to automatically maintain homeostasis, and does so just fine in its natural environment.

And "calories burned per lb bodyweight" is also not a simple constant. It has been observed swinging significantly. A starving person's metabolism will slow dramatically to conserve energy. An overfed (healthy) person's metabolism will ramp up and favor burning the excess over storing it.

So of course we can't cheat thermodynamics, and of course eating less matters. But how to eat less is an animal behavioral question, governed by biochemistry.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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Yes, it's prostetic. The problem is exactly that satiation doesn't work well enough, thus some people need a cybernetic add-on, just like some people need glasses. Satiation seems to always lag when people age and their metabolism gets slower. It can also be trained for allowing more or less eating before it fires a signal. And a consequence is that you can train it to make it correct again, but it requires a conscie…

> The problem is exactly that satiation doesn't work well enough, thus some people need a cybernetic add-on, just like some people need glasses. Yes, but the important question is why. Why do an increasing fraction of people have broken metabolic feedback systems, and what can they do to fix them? If we had cybernetic calorie counters that worked as reliably as glasses, it wouldn't be a big deal. But in practice, onl…

> Yes, but the important question is why. Why do an increasing fraction of people have broken metabolic feedback systems, and what can they do to fix them?

I saw a documentary on tv a while back, it contained some research that showed that overeating can break your ability to feel full.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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There's a massive signal-to-noise issue in the fitness world, particularly because there's so much value to be made just by making some noise. For anyone reading this post and inspired to lose weight, I recommend you keep the following basic tenets in mind when researching a plan/regimen: 1. You lose weight by eating less calories than your body uses. (As a corollary, you almost definitely consume more calories than…

>>There's a massive signal-to-noise issue in the fitness world, particularly because there's so much value to be made just by making some noise. >>For anyone reading this post and inspired to lose weight, I recommend you keep the following basic tenets in mind when researching a plan/regimen... -- There is something important to point out here, which is that the basic tenets you listed are simple, but they are not ea…

Most people don't actually want to lose weight. Rather, they want to already have lost weight. So they look for shortcuts that will get them there. That is why there is such a massive signal-to-noise issue in the fitness world. Fad diets and magic pills are invented because people are willing to pay for them.

I agree completely, though I would phrase it as "most people don't want to be healthy: they want to be thin."

On top of this, food has become a "social currency" for them.

This is something I struggle with a lot (and I say this sipping a latte) -- so much of socializing revolves around food, it sucks to be the guy/gal who refuses the donut or orders a salad at the pizza place. Not to mention the black hole that is alcohol (though in my case, I'm more than willing to take the extra few pounds of fat if it means enjoying my whiskey and beer.)

In order to lose weight they need to reverse that and make exercising and not eating an equally big part of their lives. ... And as with all hard endeavors, success is a matter of discipline.

Absolutely. There are dozens of anecdotes about people who lose a serious amount of weight, hit their target, and then slowly regain all the weight because that's what happens when you're 160 pounds and you go back to eating junk. To use a poor metaphor, personal fitness isn't like an MMO where once you hit max level you stay there -- you've got to take care of yourself or else you'll wind up back at level 1.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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I think your post wins the "worst analogy in this discussion" award. There is so much pseudo-science on every side of this debate that I'm against just about anybody who takes an absolutist position in the way you have. Personally, from my own research and experimentation in my own diet, I firmly believe that weight is an I/O issue though good health is more complex than that. While Atkins never specifically advocate…

You stand behind the I/O issue and then later admit to benefitting from fasting techniques which are most likely affecting your insulin cycle, which is the purpose of a low carb diet. Atkins dieters experience positive results due to calorie restriction When you're on a low carb diet, your carb cravings are reduced or go away. You tend to eat less. It seems like you wanted to be snarky about the analogy I made but yo…

Maybe I didn't understand it, you tell me. You're suggesting (with scoff) that driving fewer miles will naturally reduce risk of accident, so by putting less gas in the car you'll force yourself to drive fewer miles. So you tell me what I'm missing there. Because as interpreted that's a pretty poor analogy.

More importantly, I'm not trying to be a critic on your writing style, which is why I have 1 sentence about the analogy followed by paragraphs about your larger point.

Looking at the mental portion of this, the learning to eat less and better, your comments about atkins..."tend to eat less" reminds me of exactly what I say about my strategy of "intermittent fasting." (Which is a phrase I didn't learn until recently, well after I've lost the weight). What I mean is, in both cases, behavioral changes lead to eating less.

And I firmly, 100% believe that THAT is the primary mechanism that worked for me. Not changes to insulin levels effecting metabolism. But specifically: I eat far less than I used to. Far less. And THAT is why I've lost weight. And intermittent fasting helps me to accomplish that the way Atkins does to followers of that diet, ditto Paleo, ditto the Cookie Diet, etc.

Most importantly: I hope everybody acknowledges that there's mountains of contradictory research and a lot of complicated science here that nobody really understands. All we know for sure is what has worked for us, not even always why, and we are on very thin ice advocating to others what they should do.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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post #48

Am I the only person who enjoyed reading this guy's story? I'm happy that he's found a lifestyle that works for him. The amount of skepticism and criticism in this thread is off the charts...

I appreciate that. It is very interesting to see people jump on what I did or even more did not say in one post about a personal experience. I think people need to realize that: People are just trying their best! Holy negativity. And in that I appreciate your comment Justin :)

It takes guts to put yourself out there like you have and leave yourself vulnerable to strangers on the internet. So, good for you!

Thanks for sharing your story - I enjoyed it too. And remember, haters gonna hate.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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You can gain back a lot more than you lose, even if you get into a habit of "better" eating and more exercise for months.

You probably think that exercising and eating "better" should be fine, because anything you do for three weeks becomes a habit, right? Well, not exactly. Bad habits can be much harder to break, and you may not have really broken them the way you think you have: http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/form-a-habit.htm

Be really careful before a drastic change to your diet and exercise habits just to lose 10-15 lbs, especially if your doctor and the majority of those close to you don't think you need to lose weight. It can backfire.

However, a gradual change, especially when you can do it in a reasonable, sustainable way, can be a great idea.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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post #67

I don't get the title at all. It seems like a very concerted effort using a bit of trial and error, changing things, seeing what works, what doesn't and having success. Or did I miss the joke?

Agreed. At first I thought he'd just woke up on morning and been like "Wow, I've lost a lot of weight".

I was thinking more along the lines of the title being what most people in London are thinking on a Saturday morning.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"diet and exercise" He went in the "personality diet" direction, not just diet, which was pretty weird because he basically went paleo although is being very careful not to use the phrase. Tip toe all around it. I don't know if there's a legal explosion going on or what about the term, because I've noticed this elsewhere. The Paleo thing is pretty easy to implement if you know anything about food, most of the time, t…

I am sorry that you think I tried not to mention "Paleo". I agree that many of the changes were Paleo, but I also don't know how much of the other things affected change. Over time I have also morphed the Paleo items of the diet. I don't think everyone needs to label things. I also enjoyed: http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Debunking-the-Paleo-Diet-Chri...

"I don't think everyone needs to label things."

Then in the article you "There was a period of fierce reading about nutrition" followed by a long list of interesting labeled diets where your chosen course based on research was to basically select the paleo-ish part of each different diet, resulting in a basically paleo conclusion, without mentioning it by name.

Combine that with the section of the article beginning "I started first with what I was consuming:" and the following read like a laundry list from Robb Wolf himself...

You're on the right path. Its a really good path. But there's a sign you haven't mentioned hanging over the trail reading "welcome to the more or less paleo diet". You don't have to read that sign, you apparently figured it out the hard way via research. I think its cool you found the path all by yourself with intense study. Great minds think alike and all that, Very encouraging results. But folks looking for it the easy way on google or whatever are going to find it a lot easier, if you just use the commonly accepted placename / label.

The Warinner presentation is pure straw dog. There's some hilarious rebuttals to be googled for. The important point is they're PR style debates not scientific debates. A lot of credentialism, one paleontologist vs multiple actual MDs, lots of focus on minor meaningless details. Its a very strange PR event. I wouldn't read too much into either her presentation or the rebuttals. Thats nice that you say the captain of the titanic should have steered a course of 15 degrees to avoid the iceberg, but I think a more correct value is actually 16 degrees, now lets distract the helmsman from making any change at all by arguing, as the ship plows directly into the iceberg.

Given that the presentation provides little information, it does however point out that an open mind toward research is a great outlook. This is not a revealed religion. I fully expect that within my lifetime the ideal % meat consumption will change by 5% or so, but up or down, who knows? The overall message will remain the same, you should mostly eat what your ancestors ate, more or less, and the western diet is a pretty horrible epic fail at that with some really nasty negative health and financial consequences.

Re: How I have lost over 100 pounds and don’t know how

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post #32

There's a massive signal-to-noise issue in the fitness world, particularly because there's so much value to be made just by making some noise. For anyone reading this post and inspired to lose weight, I recommend you keep the following basic tenets in mind when researching a plan/regimen: 1. You lose weight by eating less calories than your body uses. (As a corollary, you almost definitely consume more calories than…

"1. You lose weight by eating less calories than your body uses. "

As a former chemistry student(I did not finish it, because I made engineering instead), I tell you you are oversimplificating how the body works.

With a machine you could talk about calories because the way an engine works is so simple. Fuel, oxidant+Energy init reaction->Output + Energy out.

Not so with the body. There are different processes the body uses to get energy, and it is very complex.

E.g When you eat sugary drinks you put immense amounts of sugar in the blood, very fast which are dangerous(if insulin is not released you die), so the priority of the body is getting this sugar out of the bloodstream, converting it to fat. At the same time your liver could not process anything else as the rate it has to work to get rid of the sugar is too high.

Countries like the US of America or Central Europe has an obesity epidemic problem, and what changed the most was food. 40 years ago Germans or Americans ate more than 8 kilos of butter and other natural fats per year. Now it is way less.

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