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Re: Distributed Everything

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Post by alex_doom »

jrs99 wrote: post #76
pyre wrote: post #58

While I do agree to some extent with this post, it is naive in a lot of places. Forgive me if this comes across as picking at the post, but I feel that some of these things need to be said. > You know the sources. You’re all on them. [...] Shitter. While Twitter is grouped with all of these others, I don't find Twitter to be on the same level as Facebook or Google Plus. Maybe it's just me, but I view it as a very lar…

I'm not entirely sure why Node.js is constantly used as an example. Is this somehow 'distributed' vs. Rails/Django which are 'centralized?' Maybe it has to do with selling his "Deploy Node" product for $37.

Don't forget to sign up for Digital Ocean with his referral link.

Re: Distributed Everything

#112

Post by fauigerzigerk »

pyre wrote: post #107
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Most people don't view accidentally stumbling into someone else's furry porn collection as an upside" That's right. Most people don't, and they pay for eliminating that possibility by living in walled gardens where everything you wouldn't say at a child's birthday party is either already banned or always on the verge of getting banned as soon someone oversteps the mark and it causes negative publicity, i.e potential…

Pitching "you might accidentally stumble upon furry porn" isn't going to win many followers. If the aim is to convince people to listen to the message, then the approach leaves something to be desired. There is a wide range between, "the most extreme thing that you could say at a child's birthday party," and, "furry porn." It would probably be better to find examples that more people can rally behind.

I disagree, because examples that many people can relate to just don't get the point across. We need some space for things that will never win many followers, because there are many different such things and we're all minorities in some aspect of our lives.

Re: Distributed Everything

#113

Post by jlgaddis »

alex_doom wrote: post #111
jrs99 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not entirely sure why Node.js is constantly used as an example. Is this somehow 'distributed' vs. Rails/Django which are 'centralized?' Maybe it has to do with selling his "Deploy Node" product for $37.

Don't forget to sign up for Digital Ocean with his referral link.

And send him money via Gittip.

Re: Distributed Everything

#114

Post by astro1138 »

RyanZAG wrote: post #53
jaryd wrote: post #52

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A lot of my friends who use IRC as a primary communication channel will stick to invite-only self-hosted SILC IRC networks. These are essentially 1 step above darknet (eg: local IRCd), and are a far cry from the efnets of the IRC-verse.

All it takes is a warrant and a plea bargain, and your private 'darknet' (haha) irc server is now a honeypot collecting all the traffic you thought was private. The more popular an easily controlled solution like private IRC servers become, the greater the advantage for law enforcement and others to control them. End-to-end encryption is a requirement for secure communication. Anything less is the same as scribbling…

Yes, that is what SILC is for. It has been around for really long.

Re: Distributed Everything

#115

Post by pyre »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #112
pyre wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pitching "you might accidentally stumble upon furry porn" isn't going to win many followers. If the aim is to convince people to listen to the message, then the approach leaves something to be desired. There is a wide range between, "the most extreme thing that you could say at a child's birthday party," and, "furry porn." It would probably be better to find examples that more people can rally behind.

I disagree, because examples that many people can relate to just don't get the point across. We need some space for things that will never win many followers, because there are many different such things and we're all minorities in some aspect of our lives.

I'm not saying we need to exclude people from publishing their furry porn collection. I'm saying that using it as an example to win people over to why the Internet needs to be distributed isn't going to work well. It makes the entire idea easy to attack, "Don't want furry porn on your Internet? Sign up for Facebook Walled Garden(tm) now!"

Re: Distributed Everything

#116

Post by philwelch »

icebraining wrote: post #101
rozap wrote: post #98

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I'm not sure it really matters that we agree upon some "point" where it all goes to shit. Like the web, I think it's pretty clear that this sort of thing happens organically over time, and it's hard to pinpoint some particular cornerstone, but easy to highlight contributing factors.

I think you completely missed parent's point, which has its fair share of sarcasm.

Yes, I should probably clarify that I'm not in favor of oppressing black people. Rather, I'm skeptical of arguments that it's a bad idea for the federal government to take power from the states, because historically the issue of states' rights has been synonymous with the issue of oppressing black people. Forgive me for the sarcasm.

Re: Distributed Everything

#117

Post by fauigerzigerk »

pyre wrote: post #115
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, because examples that many people can relate to just don't get the point across. We need some space for things that will never win many followers, because there are many different such things and we're all minorities in some aspect of our lives.

I'm not saying we need to exclude people from publishing their furry porn collection. I'm saying that using it as an example to win people over to why the Internet needs to be distributed isn't going to work well. It makes the entire idea easy to attack, "Don't want furry porn on your Internet? Sign up for Facebook Walled Garden(tm) now!"

The idea of protecting things most people don't like will always be a hard sell and it will always be easy to attack. What has to explained is the principle that we all have to accept some disgusting things in order to keep certain freedoms. You cannot make that point without mentioning something that most people find disgusting.

Re: Distributed Everything

#118

Post by rozap »

icebraining wrote: post #101
rozap wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it really matters that we agree upon some "point" where it all goes to shit. Like the web, I think it's pretty clear that this sort of thing happens organically over time, and it's hard to pinpoint some particular cornerstone, but easy to highlight contributing factors.

I think you completely missed parent's point, which has its fair share of sarcasm.

I re-read it and you're right. Woosh.

Re: Distributed Everything

#119

Post by TeMPOraL »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #74
pyre wrote: post #61

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As long as we can all agree not to get complacent, it's a step in the right direction. Arguing that people need to go form 0 to 60 in under a second isn't going to get us anywhere. For example, if you want to convince someone to become a vegan, which path is more likely to succeed: Omnivore => Vegan or: Omnivore => Vegetarian => Vegan or even: Omnivore => No red meat => Only fish => Vegetarian => Vegan

On the other hand.. what's easier, convincing someone to change a habit once, or convincing them four times?

pyre assumes (and I agree with him) that the difficulty (D) of convincing someone to change the habit satisfies:

D(Omnivore => Vegan) > D(Omnivore => No red meat) + D(No red meat => Only fish) + D(Only fish => Vegetarian) + D(Vegetarian => Vegan)

Often intermediate steps are significantly easier to implement than just implementing the end result. It's the same reason for which people tend to break big scary tasks into sequence of many easier ones.

Re: Distributed Everything

#120

Post by pyre »

tonylemesmer wrote: post #110
pyre wrote: post #58

While I do agree to some extent with this post, it is naive in a lot of places. Forgive me if this comes across as picking at the post, but I feel that some of these things need to be said. > You know the sources. You’re all on them. [...] Shitter. While Twitter is grouped with all of these others, I don't find Twitter to be on the same level as Facebook or Google Plus. Maybe it's just me, but I view it as a very lar…

nice post. Sorry to be a pedant but its "Espresso."

No worries. I know the correct spelling, but for some reason didn't notice that I kept typing it that way. Weird.
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