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Re: Motorola cell phones are regularly phoning home

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Post by javert »

javert wrote: post #107
xogouyne wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show the proof or stop trolling. What can you gurantee exactly? Op links to article with raw packet data. Suprised mods does not change title to Google. Stop talking out of your ass

How about the billions of dollars of intellectual property that has been stolen from American defense contractors? Do you think that is being stolen from their Windows desktops, or do you think it's being stolen from their cell phones? The aggressive behavior and language you are using are not welcome or appreciated on Hacker News. Also, you are coming across as a Microsoft astroturfer. If you are, you're going to be…

To be clear, the reason I mention astroturfing is because xogouyne is one of at least two accounts that appear to have been created specifically to respond to that one instance of Microsoft bashing on my part, and he has no other comments.

Re: Motorola cell phones are regularly phoning home

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Post by qwerty_asdf »

inoop wrote: post #90
antoncohen wrote: post #13

I noticed that my Droid 4 running 4.1.2 was opening an XMPP connection to Motorola servers a month ago. I was watching the logs trying to diagnose another problem, and the XMPP connection happened to be failing at the time. The XMPP connection is no longer failing. D/CheckinProvider( 507): insertEvents Process tag not allowed: XMPPConnection I/XMPPConnection( 772): Preparing to connect user XXXXXXXXXXX to service: ja…

I was bored so I downloaded the stock gingerbread image of the X2 and poked around the system a bit. It seems that the bulk of the code is in blur-services.apk. Manifest: http://pastie.org/pastes/8102815/text strings.xml: http://pastie.org/pastes/8102837/text I also found a bunch of apks that look like 'plugins', haven't really looked at them, but should provide a clue to what they're snooping blur_myspace.apk blur_l…

  > it seems that all this stuff is mostly 
  > to provide social networking integration for MotoBlur
I'm not sure why you'd give them the benefit of the doubt. There's no way they built apps in 20 different flavors that consume ALL network traffic and redirect it to their servers, simply as an accidental rookie mistake.

I don't feel like buying into the idea that it was all consultants hired on short term by motorola, in a mad scramble to create an android platform and compete with the iPhone, working under a temporary contract with no accountability.

I don't even want to buy into the idea that maybe there was a large team of disinterested 9 to 5 corporate drones, with a middle manager who was a real dick with a middling paycheck as a mediocre incentive to produce high-quality work, who inspired nothing but apathy in his subordinates, and was too lazy, and too interested in fantasy football, to check their work for network security practices.

Capture ALLLL the traffic, and don't encrypt it? As an innocent mistake?

No way. I can't put the blinders on, here.

Re: Motorola cell phones are regularly phoning home

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Post by dllthomas »

yardie wrote: post #92
gohrt wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IIRC, ExxonMobil did the same when acquiring XTO. Exxon didn't want XTO's share price to skyrocket on rumors of an acquisition as it could've made the deal unprofitable. That doesn't make sense. If shares rose on the merger rumor, Exxon could still offer a low price, since everyone knew XTO's price would collapse if the merge fell through.

During an acquisition the price on the shares of the acquirer goes down while the acquiree goes up. Since most mergers tend to be stock swaps rather than cash they would have to invest more shares than originally intended. If the merger falls through both would lose out as the acquirer would be seen as wasting a lot of money with nothing to show and the acquiree would be see as not so valuable.

They could still, in principle, negotiate around fixed numbers of shares instead of market values.

Re: Motorola cell phones are regularly phoning home

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Post by dllthomas »

javert wrote: post #107
xogouyne wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show the proof or stop trolling. What can you gurantee exactly? Op links to article with raw packet data. Suprised mods does not change title to Google. Stop talking out of your ass

How about the billions of dollars of intellectual property that has been stolen from American defense contractors? Do you think that is being stolen from their Windows desktops, or do you think it's being stolen from their cell phones? The aggressive behavior and language you are using are not welcome or appreciated on Hacker News. Also, you are coming across as a Microsoft astroturfer. If you are, you're going to be…

As someone who is very, very anti-Microsoft, I have to say that you're not actually looking much better than your counterpart in this interchange.

Re: Motorola cell phones are regularly phoning home

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Post by saryant »

dllthomas wrote: post #114
yardie wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During an acquisition the price on the shares of the acquirer goes down while the acquiree goes up. Since most mergers tend to be stock swaps rather than cash they would have to invest more shares than originally intended. If the merger falls through both would lose out as the acquirer would be seen as wasting a lot of money with nothing to show and the acquiree would be see as not so valuable.

They could still, in principle, negotiate around fixed numbers of shares instead of market values.

XOM initiated a very aggressive share buyback program ~15 years ago, their own treasury is one of their largest shareholders.

Makes much more sense for them to use those shares in acquisitions in the form of a stock swap.

Re: Motorola cell phones are regularly phoning home

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Post by javert »

dllthomas wrote: post #115
javert wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about the billions of dollars of intellectual property that has been stolen from American defense contractors? Do you think that is being stolen from their Windows desktops, or do you think it's being stolen from their cell phones? The aggressive behavior and language you are using are not welcome or appreciated on Hacker News. Also, you are coming across as a Microsoft astroturfer. If you are, you're going to be…

As someone who is very, very anti-Microsoft, I have to say that you're not actually looking much better than your counterpart in this interchange.

I don't see that. Could you please be specific?

Please note that shortly after I made the comment you are responding to, I made an additional comment clarifying why I suspected possible astroturfing.

Also, note that I'm not "anti-Microsoft." I'm making a facts-based argument that Windows is not suitable for business that need security.

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