Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released • Hacker News Board

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by yogo » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:16 PM UTC

leephillips wrote: post #94

webreac wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully agree. I just want a desktop that stays out of the way. I have ubuntu and I have replaced unity by cinnamon. It is not very polished, but in a couple of minute, you can configure it to be usable.

The desktop that does the best job of staying out of your way is no desktop. I've been using Ubuntu for years without a desktop, just the dwm window manager. Now and then I ask people, because I know the desktops are evolving, what they might have to offer me, but I never get a coherent response.

Same here. I usually use OpenBox then add a few commonly used programs to the menu. I often wish this was possible with Windows (might be with 3rd party software) but I understand that they have a different type of user in mind. There really isn't a need for a desktop though.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by jcastro » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:19 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #5

It does feel slightly odd to (finally) have arm listed as an available architecture for the images. And I say that as someone who has run Ubuntu on my "Android tablet". I guess I'm just not yet used to "proper Linux" being something you can download for embedded-type architectures and devices without heading to XDA first. Still. Definitely Good to see Ubuntu expanding support to the sort of devices which are actually…

Ubuntu's had ARM images for going on like 4 years now!

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by teach » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:21 PM UTC

niggler wrote: post #50

What happens after the Z release (coming up in 5 years)?

An 'A' release, probably. I suspect they'll be like hurricane naming in that regard.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by keverets » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:24 PM UTC

kostya-kow wrote: post #63

dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

I don't use Skype (imo.im works much better, and you don't have to install any programs), so I don't know anything about it, but Chrome seems to work.

Jitsi (jitsi.org) does video calling over Jabber and others.

Though it's not web based like imo.im, you also don't have to give your access credentials to a third party.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by username111 » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:24 PM UTC

dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

Regarding google chrome it has been fixed on the unstable channel for a while now.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:26 PM UTC

claudius wrote: post #110

dave1010uk wrote: post #57

Warning: according to the known issues in the release log [0]: * Skype won't start (without a fix [1]) * Google Chrome won't install (without a fix [2]) [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327 [2] https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=226002#c...

The Skype bug looks like a Multiarch problem and there appears to be a workaround in the bug report: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 skype which is trivial to implement either in a custom .desktop file dropped in ~/.local/share/applications or a custom launch script in /usr/local/bin (or whatever comes before /usr/bin in your path).

Trivial maybe if you're a power user that knows Linux and Gnome's desktop shortcuts by heart and isn't afraid of hacking, but definitely not for the regular user Ubuntu was intended for a long time ago.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by Random_Person » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:28 PM UTC

Zigurd wrote: post #96

roevhat wrote: post #2

Who will be upgrading from 12.04? :-)

I did and am very pleased. Unity actually works. Suspend works. It's fast and smooth. My only problems were in installing it on a new laptop. I wanted to dual-boot Windows 8 and Ubuntu. No dice. Turn off signed booting, wipe the weird set of partitions Sony uses for Win 8 and then things went smoothly. I'm keeping the old machine for Windows 7.

Did you upgrade or format/install? I'm pondering it now. I've had quite a few system hangs lately and am wondering if I should even attempt the upgrade to 12.10

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by claudius » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:33 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #116

claudius wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Skype bug looks like a Multiarch problem and there appears to be a workaround in the bug report: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 skype which is trivial to implement either in a custom .desktop file dropped in ~/.local/share/applications or a custom launch script in /usr/local/bin (or whatever comes before /usr/bin in your path).

Trivial maybe if you're a power user that knows Linux and Gnome's desktop shortcuts by heart and isn't afraid of hacking, but definitely not for the regular user Ubuntu was intended for a long time ago.

Said user should then have a system administrator to set up the system. Really, you either read the manual to learn such things or you get someone to do them, expecting a system as complex as a computer to work out-of-the-box is nonsense.

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by progrock » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:38 PM UTC

leephillips wrote: post #94

webreac wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully agree. I just want a desktop that stays out of the way. I have ubuntu and I have replaced unity by cinnamon. It is not very polished, but in a couple of minute, you can configure it to be usable.

The desktop that does the best job of staying out of your way is no desktop. I've been using Ubuntu for years without a desktop, just the dwm window manager. Now and then I ask people, because I know the desktops are evolving, what they might have to offer me, but I never get a coherent response.

I would take a punt and suggest that the average punter couldn't describe what a desktop is. I'd struggle to define it. But think it includes: application launching, application management, window management, file management and a couple of helper applications: clipboard, network manager, notifications, workspaces and probably some input device management! It's no wonder why people give incoherent responses!

Re: Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail Released

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Post by progrock » Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 2:46 PM UTC

fsiefken wrote: post #80

stefanve wrote: post #15

I played with the beta and I have to say that it is way more polished than 12.04/12.10. I have played for many years with Linux (since early 1990s) but it was always to much of a hazel to use it as my main os. But since 12.04 I fully switched from OSX to Ubuntu the only thing I kind of missed was the polish of osx. 13.04 makes lots of things nicer and more fluid. I actually like Ubuntu better than osx. One thing left…

If you don't like orange, take a look at Lubuntu 13.04. It has nice minimal icon set and is blue instead of orange.

Yeah it's fugly by half (Ubuntu that is). And I once even liked the browns! I prefer the subdued themes. I'm almost happy with Bluebird and Xfce, but I still have theme/colour scheme issues. I'm forever hoping for a pretty and consistent interface throughout Ubuntu.