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The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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do you really believe those things were created in or by silicon valley? Even beyond their public pasts, their early private champions like Bell Labs, BBN and IBM weren't from california nor private equity backed.

Well Xerox PARC was in Palo Alto, though Xerox itself is based on Rochester, NY. And Xerox was of course not a VC-backed company. Intel, however, was founded in Santa Clara and was VC-backed. Though your point is well-taken. I think big corporate R&D labs are responsible for far more of the innovation we see in the internet sector than VC-backed Silicon Valley companies. If we're talking about narratives, indeed, the…

IBM Watson is IMO a huge embarrassment for SV.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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This notion that people can't pick winners is, in my opinion quite inaccurate. The need for light weight electronics for aerospace systems, and the view that semiconductors were 'the answer' to this problem led to a massive amount of government funding (50% of all R&D funding) and support (the government was far and away the largest customer for semiconductor devices) almost directly led to the creation of the Silico…

I think everyone on this thread would agree that people can pick winners, but some would argue that the government has been inefficient about picking those winners in the past. I personally think that there is a lack of scientifically literate people in our government, outside of Steven Chu, compared to the VC community who can pick winners.

Does the VC community actually have a better record than the government does in picking winners? A lot of VC funds do quite poorly.

Of course, you could say that good VC funds do, and choose what you count as good VC funds in hindsight, based on returns. But then you could also say that good government programs and agencies have good records, if they're also chosen in hindsight.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Edit: Seriously, I really want to know what people think about the question at the end. I worked with someone who works at cd2, and on a selfish note I'm just curious. I'm a "pasty scientist" paid by DARPA, in biotech. I work for someone who previously founded a brain-machine-interface company that had a small IPO (cyberkinetics). I would love nothing more than to see things I work on get turned into viable products.…

Foundations are a possible answer. In the last year we've seen foundations give grants to a number of tech groups and/or platforms. iPython via Sloan and Code for America via Knight for example.

There are many areas where venture capital has not and is not well suited for various reasons, many of which you list. I think people's focus on consumer funding won't work because crowdfunding is even more driven by the allure of consumer facing products than VCs are. Foundations seem to me to be a good place for this.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Edit: Seriously, I really want to know what people think about the question at the end. I worked with someone who works at cd2, and on a selfish note I'm just curious. I'm a "pasty scientist" paid by DARPA, in biotech. I work for someone who previously founded a brain-machine-interface company that had a small IPO (cyberkinetics). I would love nothing more than to see things I work on get turned into viable products.…

One issue I have not been able to resolve in thinking about the idea of society-funded research has to do with what I'll refer to as "bad" global actors. It is no secret that China shines for its lack of respect for intellectual property. The same is true for their willingness to steal just about anything from anyone and make it their own. If we, as an open society, fund programs costing billions of dollars we would,…

The US pursued the same strategy of piracy while it was developing. Any rational country does so, if sufficiently powerful to withstand retaliation from the global superpower. (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/14/business/new-economy-intel...)

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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This rings true and people always seem to forget that it's much easier to innovate when the cost of living is lower. I'm currently living in Auckland, New Zealand, which by NZ (and world standards I think, though can't cite anything off hand) is quite expensive, but myself and my girlfriend have been contemplating moving to Sydney, Australia, a city which is one of most expensive in the world but where we would both…

This rings true and people always seem to forget that it's much easier to innovate when the cost of living is lower. The problem, or the balance that must be struck, is that it's hard to innovate without being surrounded by other innovative people. You need a city with a critical mass of innovative, talented people and a low cost-of-living. California in the 1970s had that. I don't know what the 2013 analogue is, or…

The implicit conclusion from both of your points is that the government should be able to select fucking great people like you over others to offer affordable housing to. Sounds like a recipe to dystopia.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Edit: Seriously, I really want to know what people think about the question at the end. I worked with someone who works at cd2, and on a selfish note I'm just curious. I'm a "pasty scientist" paid by DARPA, in biotech. I work for someone who previously founded a brain-machine-interface company that had a small IPO (cyberkinetics). I would love nothing more than to see things I work on get turned into viable products.…

One issue I have not been able to resolve in thinking about the idea of society-funded research has to do with what I'll refer to as "bad" global actors. It is no secret that China shines for its lack of respect for intellectual property. The same is true for their willingness to steal just about anything from anyone and make it their own. If we, as an open society, fund programs costing billions of dollars we would,…

What examples do you have of the Chinese (or anybody else for that matter) doing this with the innovative high-technology initiatives this article is referring to.

China's space program is fairly recent, they didn't steal from Apollo or the Shuttle program immediately and copy it. They are purchasing energy production technology from other countries (US and France if memory serves correctly).

If you want to really look at this as a global rather than a local issue, we could consider the Chinese and all other countries as partners. Illinois benefits from California, but you don't complain about state to state transfer of knowledge (or do you? I'm Canadian, I don't think we do).

In many cases American companies have labs in China, and according to a contact at Dolby, it isn't because China is cheaper any more, it's because they are good. Very good, and everybody benefits from the collaboration.

If you want to look at innovation only for the purpose of lining somebodies pockets, than their is no difference between making a hugely innovative product vs. something people just pay for.

But if you want to change the world and have an impact, might as well all be in this together. And I suspect the Chinese spending on education and research is near what the US spends in that regard.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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"Very strong" and "more to come"? Pray tell, what in the following lists qualify as the sort of "big innovations" we're talking about? [1] http://a16z.com/portfolio/ [2] http://firstround.com/companies/ [3] http://www.kpcb.com/companies Don't get me wrong, these lists contain a lot of great products that I'm happy exist - but big and world-changing they are not. The fact that the typical SV VC scene funds one or two…

Big innovations from those lists (which I call things that are - or are intended to be - life-changing for a reasonably large number of people): airbnb, asana, box, facebook, github, meteor, picloud, pinterest, skype, stripe, twitter, uber, yourmechanic, discourse, fundersclub, hoteltonight, mint, onekingslane, simple, square, taskrabbit, coursera, groupon, nest, spotify,

Github? Seriously?!

I'm sorry, this just completely blows my mind. I'd understand if you called git innovation (though the real innovation is distributed version control, and it existed before git, git is just a very good implementation), but calling github "innovation" seriously lowers the bar for that concept.

I mean, I love github, but come on, they aren't even the first ones to come up with the idea. SourceForge existed years before them.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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The article points to some problems, and there are some. But the article also has some problems.

Here is an easier explanation:

First, the entrepreneurs are not bringing the venture partners enough projects with good, powerful, valuable innovation.

Second, the venture partners do not want to evaluate innovation and, instead, want to evaluate 'traction'. They want to see traction significant and growing rapidly. This concentration on traction may come mostly from demands of the limited partners. A failing of the article is that it didn't explain the crucial role of traction.

Third, as in the article, there are some cliches about 'innovation': It's very expensive in time and money, very risky, done for its own sake just for the fun of seeing amazing things, is from dedication to change the world and not for ROI, is impossible to evaluate, is largely separated from business and reality, etc. To save space here, I omit 1-1 pairings of each of these cliches with parts of the article. Exercise: Do the pairings. Hint: They all exist.

So, it is easy for the venture partners to be afraid of innovation, to fear that it is an interest and direction in conflict with ROI and not an advantage. With this fear, traction and innovation are worth at most just the traction alone and otherwise maybe significantly less.

Fourth, information technology (IT) entrepreneurship, from both sides of the table, has a problem with 'patterns': There aren't useful ones easy to see just from the past 40 years. Why? The examples of big successes are, say, Square, PInterest, InstaGram, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Yahoo, HotMail, Cisco, Oracle, Seagate, HP, Dell, ..., Microsoft, Intel. So, get such a big win maybe less than once a year; in 10 years get only a few big wins; then in the next 10 years technology has changed so much that the empirical patterns from the past 10 years don't work very well.

Fifth, the cliches in the article about technology are too pessimistic. E.g., if innovation in technology is so risky and unpredictable, then how come it has done so much in the last 40 years? I mean, we're talking a 3.0 GHz 8 core processor for less than $200, main memory for $10/GB, a 3 TB hard disk for $135, 1 GbE on each motherboard, 100 GbE on one wavelength on a fiber with dozens of wavelengths, etc. No, there are some reliable 'patterns' as illustrated by the technology advances.

The pattern? Pick a pair of a problem and a solution. The problem should be such that a good or much better solution will get eager users/customers (want no doubts about 'product/market fit'). For the crucial solution, innovate, e.g., do some research in applied mathematics, applied science, or engineering. How to do such research? There is education for that, long heavily funded mostly for US national security. The education is available at the top two dozen or so US research universities and is called a Ph.D.

For more on this 'pattern', look at the progress in IT of the last 40 years, say, from when Intel got going, along with what the US DoD has done starting early in WWII to the present.

Risky? Not really: Mostly can eliminate nearly all the risk with just good technical work just on paper. And before that paper is written, one of the lessons usually learned in a good Ph.D. program is how to pick a suitable problem where 'suitable' means can get results that are "new, correct, and significant" with the meager time and other resources available to a Ph.D. student. For the needed innovation just want "new, correct, significant, powerful, and valuable" for the needed solution within the time and money available.

Expensive? Not always. DoD and NASA projects tend to be expensive due to some heavy hardware, but not all innovation is expensive. E.g., RSA.

But generally the crucial work should be done and on paper in good form before allocating a lot of resources.

The solution? IT entrepreneurs need to do better innovation with nearly all the risk removed by work just on paper (or in PDF). The venture partners, if they want to invest, need to be willing to evaluate work on paper and invest at that 'stage'.

But there is now a threat to the venture partners: Now the computing is so cheap that by the time a project has the traction that venture partners want to see, there is a good chance that the project is already nicely profitable.

E.g., suppose an entrepreneur does some innovation to get a powerful, valuable solution to a big problem and brings up a Web site to deliver the solution on the Internet.

Then look at the Meeker data at KPCB and average her CPM figures for mobile and desktop and get $2.125. Assume the Web site gets users enough to send 2 Web pages a second with 4 ads per page. Then in one month the revenue would be

2.125 * 4 * 2 * 3600 * 24 * 30 / 1000 = 44,064

dollars. If each Web page sends for 400,000 bits, the upload bandwidth needed is commonly available in US living rooms from a cable TV company.

It is likely that a computer with less than $2000 in parts is sufficient as a server. And can consider using cloud servers.

So, we're looking at a project with a $2000 chunk of hardware, an Internet connection, with phone and TV, for less than $200 a month, one or a few founders, and $44,064 a month in revenue.

Now why should such a project, sending 2 Web pages a second and getting $44,064 a month in revenue. call a venture partner or return a venture partner's call?

Yes, this scenario has not yet resulted in a lot of big wins, but the threat to venture capital and the opportunity to entrepreneurs is just sitting there.

Likely one good example is the romantic matchmaking Web site in Canada, Plenty of Fish, long just one guy, two old Dell servers, ads just from Google, and $10 million a year in revenue.

An established pattern? No. Obvious? Yes.

Note that I am saying that the opportunity is to (1) get a Ph.D. in applied math, applied physical science, or engineering from a good research university, (2) pick a pair of an important problem and a good or much better solution where the solution can be generated from software running on servers and delivered to users/customers over the Internet, (3) for the solution do some innovation, that is, some research in applied math, applied physical science, or engineering, (4) write the software, plug together the server(5), bring up the Web site, go live, get publicity, users/customers, ads, revenue, and earnings, and grow.

For the venture partners, they can (1) stay with their current ROI, significantly less good than an index fund, (2) look for more mobile, social, local, sharing apps for teenage girls to gossip and look for boyfriends, or (3) get serious about innovation and encouraging and evaluating it and then funding its exploitation. No, venture partners should not invest in research, but they likely will need to get quite serious once the research is solid on paper and, in particular, drop their scorn, contempt, ridicule, and phobia about research.

Funding based just on paper? That's how nearly all large engineering projects, DoD projects, etc. get done. Net, for what is crucial about innovation, paper is fine.

Re: The hypocrisy in Silicon Valley's big talk on innovation

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Ok, so here's a fun question: where do I find a list of the Big Problems? Because when I look at the world, it seems to me as if most of the really Big Problems are not technological but social. In the end, the conversion to solar energy won't be a single man's heroic effort, it'll be the combined efforts of an entire society that finally decided to go solar. On the other hand, technological approaches to social prob…

Really? What do you wish you could do that you can't? Let's make a list of things: * I wish my body didn't start to break down as I get older. * Related to that there are a whole host of diseases and disorders that I'll probably get one of and die from one day. * I wish I didn't have to spend so much money on energy (not just directly on my monthly bill, but as part of the cost of almost everything I buy). * I wish m…

What do you wish you could do that you can't?

Ah, there's the thing. I've spent too long learning how to deal with Real Life.

Actually, looking at it, many of these are social problems, as I had hypothesized.

* Technical problem

* Technical

* Partially technical, partially an issue of almost deliberately building energy-intensive civilizations.

* High-megabits and gigabit connections are on their way, but come with the social problems of installing new infrastructure.

* Bullet trains, supersonic flight, and that sort of thing, but again, infrastructure and societal preferences.

* On its way right now.

* Memrise

* In the research stages right now.

* Again: social problems of Americans deliberately building energy-inefficient civilization (like suburbs, for example).

* Ok, there's an interesting notion: can we make shipping and delivery better between vastly far nodes of a graph rather than using the center/periphery model currently employed by the shipping industry? The whole reason for center/periphery is that the fixed costs of each shipping vehicle are significant, making it far cheaper to distribute them through centralized shipping and mass distribution to the periphery areas. I've heard someone wants to revive the notion of "shipping tubes" through the ground, which would function a lot like packet-switched containerized shipping, but that's another infrastructure issue and may not be the optimal solution.

* Social problems of building a carbon-nanotube-based space elevator, torus-shaped rotating space colonies, and generation ships. Well, that or teleportation, but the latter is far less likely.

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