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Is speed reading really possible?

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Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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In so far as I have had "success" with speed reading it has been to force myself to run over the words more quickly and so interpret the commonly seen structures as single units. This means that if a piece is written in a very formulaic style then I can get through it fast because most of the stock sentences read like single words with only the unique modifiers jumping out of the page. Think about when you look at co…

> Think about when you look at code and automatically chunk the bits you have seen a million times before but are somehow magically able pick out the needle in the haystack which tells you what is special in this instance.

I guess the real solution is to use a denser language?

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the exact same place. I devoured fiction (especially science fiction and fantasy) in my youth (ages 7-17, including 6 full LOTR readings), but the appeal has been destroyed as I've moved into hypersonic reading speed, in which my consciousness of individual characters and ability to emotionally relate to the plot line has been decreased to the point of near non-existence. I've recently been contemplating a re-…

Have you tried listening to Audio books?

Yes, but I don't like it. It is too slow. I only do it when I am forcibly on a long car-ride and driving and can't do something else.

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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After reading this very informative article, it occurred to me that developers of new tools that will be built upon heavily would do well to try to think of names that can be vocalized in one or two syllables. Reading the name PHP or the mouthful WYSIWYG should take longer than words such as C or Java or SCRUMM or perl if we are indeed vocalizing them. Perhaps the convention of adding www to the beginning of website names has had a substantial impact on the efficiency of web navigation?

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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The comments in this thread, specifically the questions about deaf readers prompted me to Google "deaf readers subvocalization", which lead me to the book "The Psychology of Reading" by Keith Rayner and Alexander Pollatsek.

I'll excerpt a few paragraphs.

[Page 191 - http://goo.gl/VLaaM]

Electromyographic Recording (EMG) records have been widely used to study the role of subvocalization in reading. [...] Generally, EMGs are also recorded from some other part of the body, such as the forearm, where muscle activity should have no relevance for reading. In fact, normal skilled readers show little forearm activity during reading, while EMG activity in the speech tract increases markedly during reading in comparison to the baseline condition (where the subject sits quietly). In contrast, deaf readers show a considerable amount of forearm activity during reading (we shall see the reason for that later in this chapter).

[Page 211 - http://goo.gl/R3NPT]

That profoundly deaf people can read at all is sometimes taken as evidence that speech recoding in normal readers is optional. However, as we have seen, they do not read very well, and the best available evidence indicates that when reading English text deaf readers recode the printed information into their native language (ASL) for comprehension purposes. Since they have not experienced speech sounds, recoding into a phonological code is precluded from deaf readers. Instead, the information is recoded into a manual form to aid comprehension. The poor reading of deaf people is thus probably due in part to inner speech being a more efficient system of recoding than overt manual gestures.

Readers of logographic systems such as Chinese can probably access the meaning of many printed characters directly from the visual representation. However, associations between the printed word and the appropriate pronunciation are activated during reading and appear to be important in comprehending text.

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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I read this at 800 wpm (adjust this down @ 10-20% if a test I did a while back still stands) fairly comfortably using http://www.spreeder.com/app.php . I find it very much easier to stay "in the zone" using it.

This is called Rapid Serial Visual Presentation ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_serial_visual_presentatio... ). After a few hours (or minutes) you start to identify the drawbacks presented in the wiki.

Seems like those problems could be corrected by slowing down on the problematic words.

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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post #114

The comments in this thread, specifically the questions about deaf readers prompted me to Google "deaf readers subvocalization", which lead me to the book "The Psychology of Reading" by Keith Rayner and Alexander Pollatsek. I'll excerpt a few paragraphs. [Page 191 - http://goo.gl/VLaaM ] Electromyographic Recording (EMG) records have been widely used to study the role of subvocalization in reading. [...] Generally, E…

my theory is that subvocalization (or this sub-signlanguaging) is actually a 'memory-query' aid that the brain uses. the subvocalization of a word is a key, in addition to the printed key, that lets the brain rapidly conjure the meaning from memory. not doing this makes reading inefficient, so there is a very strong conditioning for it

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proof that you can read without subvocalization are ideographic languages such as Chinese (especially the traditional variety), where the written text and the 'vocalization' are not directly related - it is possible to understand a passage of text based on the relation of the characters to each other and the appearance of characters themselves (e.g. the radicals used and the parts within) without actually knowing how…

My personal experience studying Japanese for a few years makes me skeptical of this claim. Granted, the radicals, etc in the symbols can give you a hint of their meaning, but ultimately a writing system is created to communicate vocalized words. In fact, many of the "hints" in the written symbols are based on words that sound similar to other words when pronounced (their actual meaning being unrelated), which is full…

You and the poster below mention Japanese as an example. I counter by saying that Japanese use of Kanji is very different than the Chinese use. I am a native Chinese speaker and have taken Japanese classes, and their vocalization in the language are very different. Japanese places a heavy emphasis on how the characters are pronounced because their language is not purely ideographic; rather they use a hybrid phonetic and ideographic system which forces the reader to vocalize sentences including the Kanji characters.

I posit that if you were a native Chinese speaker, you could skim (or speed read as claimed in the article) without any subvocalization and still understand the given passage.

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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> You can't read without subvocalization. While this article seems well researched, I find this claim very hard to believe. I can read while singing (not a song with words, but a tune that I know well, without words). I really don't think I "talk to [myself] so quietly, it cannot be heard" and while my "tongue and vocal chords" may "receive speech signals from [my] brain", I'm pretty sure they're not executed and nei…

I had trouble with the "You can't read without subvocalization." part too. I can't understand if by subvocalization he means moving your throat/mouth or simply repeating the words you are reading in your mind without moving any muscles. Wikipedia says "subvocalization is defined as the internal speech made when reading a word"[1], which further confuses me. I don't move any muscles while reading, but my internal mono…

I would be fascinated to hear if subvocalization (either motor signals or internal monologue) has ever been studied in the context of reading code or mathematics, if anyone happens to know.

I know I basically need to translate mathematical statements to English in my head to comprehend them -- at least the first time I see them. But I'm also not a mathematician. As a programmer, I know I sometimes do it with code -- but I'm not sure how often -- I don't know if I've ever really thought about it. I suspect I'll become a little bit more self-conscious about it now, until I find out.

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

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post #47

> You can't read without subvocalization. While this article seems well researched, I find this claim very hard to believe. I can read while singing (not a song with words, but a tune that I know well, without words). I really don't think I "talk to [myself] so quietly, it cannot be heard" and while my "tongue and vocal chords" may "receive speech signals from [my] brain", I'm pretty sure they're not executed and nei…

i think this comes down to how different people perceive the world in very different ways... ways much more different than we realize.

for example, here[1] Feynman talks about being able to count verbally in his mind while reading, but being unable to speak (since he is using his 'speaking' to count). and his acquaintance is able to count visually in his mind while speaking, but isn't able to read (since he is using his 'eyes' to count).

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4y0EUlU-Y

Re: Is speed reading really possible?

#120
Besides sub-vocalization I tend to read loudly making full use of my oral musculature. It helps me stay active, improves comprehension and retention. I am not sure if it's a bad habit or just the way my brain works. Any of you guys have same experience.
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