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U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Re: U.S. CEO to France: ‘How Stupid Do You Think We Are?’

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Actually, the sarcasm would only be perceived by an Anglophone. That is a fairly standard salutation in French, further, it is one that indicating that the recipient is of higher status than the sender. French salutations are notoriously flowery and with complex rules (which I have probably gotten wrong here, being primarily an Anglophone myself).

I believe you are wrong about that, but then I did ask someone who was a French native to respond ;)

Per guizzy, I stand corrected! I shouldn't be trying to write formal French.

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#112
post #65

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I think it is productive - a polite refusal would leave the minister with less information about the opinion of business leaders towards French policies. This way, he knows of a few specific issues that the CEO has with the idea of operating in France.

All he succeeded in communicating is that he thinks in stereotypes and is a jerk. Why do you think this letter is now on public display? Workers in France work for three hours, eat for two and talk for another three? Really? Producing in France is only expensive because of the labour costs? Or is there maybe also that pesky environmental controls issue?

It's not just stereotypes, he gives examples of direct observations and interactions. You can attribute it to distaste for environmental controls or anything else, but the fact is that he and many other companies are passing up locating in France. Personally, the difficulty in firing people in the event of making a hiring mistake or having a cashflow issue would discourage me from ever setting up shop there, even though I think I would really enjoy living there otherwise.

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> Titan had to pay millions to Washington lawyers to sue the Chinese tire companies because of their subsidizing. Titan won. The government collects the duties. We don't get the duties, the government does. This is how tariffs work. You don't tax imports to fork over free money to domestic companies. The point is to increase the cost of the imported good to compensate for illegal (from the WTO's point of view) Chines…

Maybe he meant to say: we were harmed financially, paid lawyers, sued, won and got jack in return.

they got their tariffs, and made life generally harder for their competitors. That's something.

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post #113

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Maybe he meant to say: we were harmed financially, paid lawyers, sued, won and got jack in return.

they got their tariffs, and made life generally harder for their competitors. That's something.

Yeah but generally you should be compensated for the already done damage.

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post #73

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French workers also have an old tradition for manufacturing, produce quality products and have one of the best productivity per hour of all the developed countries (mostly due to the fact that they work slightly LESS than other workers in developed economies). But what are you gonna do, it's become trendy to take swings at the French for being cowardly, lazy, corrupted union-loving socialist epicurian bastards with n…

Your assuming things that are not necessarily the case. GM had some terrible factory's in the 80's where you could buy alcohol, hard drugs, and visit a prostitute all inside the factory. That has little to due with the US work force and a lot to due with the history of Union activity at GM.

I do not doubt that some executive in the American auto industry JUST TODAY used hard drugs and alcohol in the office. The prostitution probably happened in a hotel somewhere, the accommodations paid with frequent flyer miles.

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> Insulting the French doesn’t seem to be rewarded by the stock market, and Titan is down about 1% so far today. Journalists should be forced to say "correlation is not causation" ten times before writing each article.

Not sure where you live, but the national paper in New Zealand doesn't have journalists write its articles. Badly written advert/infotainment.

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is productive - a polite refusal would leave the minister with less information about the opinion of business leaders towards French policies. This way, he knows of a few specific issues that the CEO has with the idea of operating in France.

All he succeeded in communicating is that he thinks in stereotypes and is a jerk. Why do you think this letter is now on public display? Workers in France work for three hours, eat for two and talk for another three? Really? Producing in France is only expensive because of the labour costs? Or is there maybe also that pesky environmental controls issue?

French here. What I'm mostly concerned here is that the guy is basically saying : "we will produce tires in China for cheap and then sell them to you, because we can".

Europe has very low restrictions on imports, because it tries to implement free market as purely as possible. Many voices in France say we must be more aggressive on importation taxes, and that even US has a more protected market than us. After all, no west country can beat China in production costs.

Problem is, those voices are mostly from nationalist and xenophobic parties. Even current left wing french government would not touch total free market.

Now, there is the insult. Saying french workers work 3 hours a day is totally stupid. Normal work day is 8 hours for private sector, and 7 hours for public sector (but most public sector workers work 8 hours and then take a day off to compensate over worked days). The reason because average hours per day is low (see other comments) is because unemployment is high, so many people accept part time jobs and short term jobs.

Now, combine the cynical stance "we can produce cheap products in China and sell them to you with no penalties" and the insult, and you've got perfect food for nationalist parties. Once again.

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#118
post #23

I have an idea that the differences in work ethic across Europe may be partly to do with climate and partly to do with language. In France, the verb 'work' is travailler . Traditionally this meant literally to toil, a chore, an obligation. In Germany, the word werken means to build, create, do. The German word more aligned with travailler is arbeit. This lack of correlation in the word work I believe may explain the…

France is one of most productive countries in the world, when measured as GDP per hour-worked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP...

What's up with Norway there...?!

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#119
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Here's my amateur translation... Sir, Your words, as extreme as they are insulting, pay witness to your complete ignorance of our country, France, and its solid assets, such as its world renowned power of attraction and its ties with the United States of America. France is proud to host more than 20 000 foreign businesses, representing nearly 2 million jobs, a third of it's industrial exports, 20% of its private R&D…

Would have been a much more powerful response if he'd left out that last paragraph. In two sentences he reinforced every incorrect stereotype of France as a third-world chickenshit bureaucracy that any Americans might have held.

Agreed, he's basically demonstrated (as there were any doubt by now) that he's unfit for his position as minister.

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There is a percentage in it for him: I'm sure he would like to own a French tire factory IF they actually had competitive productivity. With a verbal kick in the pants, perhaps the situation will change and he'll get a viable opportunity there. That aside, he's giving someone fair warning they're engaging in self-destructive behavior - a kind act. And no, it's not like telling a random fat person he's fat. He was app…

France is not the greatest manufacturing country, it's still one of the most productive country in the world, by a lot of measures.

Somewhat ironically, it's also one of the best manufacturers for tires, the product specifically mentioned in the article. Michelin (for passenger car tires) is amazing, although their US-market tires (at least for everything but some specific race/customs) are all made in South Carolina.
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