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Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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A more cynical observation is that users with high "karma" point totals earn this by parroting the majority opinion or otherwise treating comment threads as a game.

If you think it was easy for Ed to post what he did about Aaron's legal troubles, you don't understand the sentiment on HN at all. He posted that comment because that's what he believed at the time.

The ironic thing here is people making judgments about edw on the basis of very thin information.

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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A more cynical observation is that users with high "karma" point totals earn this by parroting the majority opinion or otherwise treating comment threads as a game.

That's not an observation, it's a conjecture, and one that is fairly baseless. many things operate according to a power law. If karma is like that, a small number of users will end up with a shitload of karma points even if they aren't attempting to game the system. There are many factors that could contribute to a power law for karma distribution. One conjecture is that other users tend to "trust" high-karma users a…

The popularity of contrarian viewpoints on sites like HN and reddit are absolutely because people reward people more for expressing those views. Even just as a trend, it is worth considering.

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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That's not an observation, it's a conjecture, and one that is fairly baseless. many things operate according to a power law. If karma is like that, a small number of users will end up with a shitload of karma points even if they aren't attempting to game the system. There are many factors that could contribute to a power law for karma distribution. One conjecture is that other users tend to "trust" high-karma users a…

Karma is pretty much directly related to how much time you spend on HN, and not much else.

You could easily follow every single story without ever commenting on any of them.. Not to mention the amount of unregistered users

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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Here is the HN thread from back then. Some of it makes for pretty uncomfortable reading right now. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4529484

If you are going to advocate free information transmission, then you better open up your finances to prove you are bankrupt if you ask for funding. Especially if you are successful.

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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Something particularly bugs me about edw519's comments in the thread you linked to and the recent one about the tragedy -- http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5047571 . It's an odd contrast.

I'm not sure why: edw519 could easily and reasonably think that what Aaron did was wrong while being very sad that he committed suicide.

just think, if this was google+ we would know edw519's real name and web of friends...

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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The principle of free information transmission must extend to its advocates: if you advocate that information must be free and you engage in civil disobedience, then you ought to expose your finances to the world when requesting support for a legal defense fund. Exposing one's finances at such a time demonstrates adherence to principle, and it blunts skepticism.

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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Why is that a contrast? He didn't support what Aaron allegedly did, so he should be happy that Aaron is dead?

> Why is that a contrast? I'm honestly baffled by this question. He didn't just not support what Aaron did, he treated him badly when he requested help and discouraged others from helping. ("man up?" it's difficult to be more contemptuous in so few words.) After reading that original post I wouldn't have called this newer post a contrast. I would have just assumed that his "OH NO" post was an expression of sarcasm fr…

You can disagree with something someone does and still feel bad when they die. I don't understand why that is a contrast.

Did you feel bad when Steve Jobs died, even if just for his family and friends? Did you ever say anything critical of Steve Jobs? That doesn't make it a contrast...

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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I suspect - but this pure conjecture on my part, IADNAL and so on - that this may have something to do with prejudicing a potential jury. Any jury member that knows about a case before being sworn in is automatically disqualified. Giving potentially nationwide attention to your case by running a funding drive in your name would pollute any potential jury. Again, please don't put too much weight on this, it is purely…

I think he should have risked pissing off the judge and getting the word out, but hindsight is 20/20. Its sad this is the way our justice system works, feels like a modern day witch trial.

...unless you're on the other end of it, facing a media-friendly opponent who uses the public spotlight to demonize you before you face off in court...

Re: Aaron Swartz, Asking For Help, 119 Days Ago

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think it was easy for Ed to post what he did about Aaron's legal troubles, you don't understand the sentiment on HN at all. He posted that comment because that's what he believed at the time.

The ironic thing here is people making judgments about edw on the basis of very thin information.

Anybody that's been here longer than 3 months should know better.
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