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The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving

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Did you look into the following two categories of GreenCard Visa's ? (EB4/EB5)It seems you get a Visa in 9 months. 1. Entreprenurs .... You start a business and hire 4-5 FT US employees 2. Investment .... Invest 500K in some Federal designated area.

Just out of interest with #1 - what's to stop an immigrant from simply "buying" themselves a visa by hiring 4 people at minimum wage for 9 months? Even if you didn't make a cent of revenue, you could do still that for ~60K right? Doesn't seem like a lot to obtain US citizenship.

60k is a lot of money, especially for the people who have the most to gain from a US citizenship (i.e. people from the 3rd world who are not independently wealthy).

A Swede will not pay 60k because the US is, for the most part, not that much (if at all) better than Sweden, and most Indians don't have that kind of money.

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How easy it is to live there without knowing Spanish? What are the safer parts of the country? Also can you please estimate the monthly expenses?

> How easy it is to live there without knowing Spanish Impossible, because if you move somewhere foreign, you're going to learn the language unconsciously within 6 months. People who have only lived in the US don't know this. It almost takes no effort. The human brain is good at this sort of thing.

As someone who has been living in Vienna for the past 4 years (and whose German is his 3rd language), I can tell you that that was certainly not my experience- I could speak basic German at 6 months but it took much longer than that to become fluent.

On the other hand, I've heard from friends who spent some time in South America that Spanish is an exceptionally easy language to learn, and that they could speak half-way fluently within several months.

To bring in the other extreme, I know people who lived in Japan for years and have only learned fairly rudimentary Japanese.

It is very dependent on the person and the language.

Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving

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I am working from India for the past 3 months instead of my San Francisco office. Nearly every large IT company in India offers benefits at par with Google. Yes I mean multiple food vendors. Food being served 6 times a day. The salary of an IT professional in India easily puts him among the highest wage earners in India (something similar to how Wall Street traders were a couple of years ago). Chauffeur driven cars,…

The biggest question I have to ask myself is should I return to my studio in SF. Tough question. I just spent 5 days visiting family in Guadalajara, MX, which is a fairly large tech center for Mexico. You can live very well for $30k a year. I had coffee with a software engineer that is building online education for the University of Mex, Guadalajara. They have 7 full degrees that you can get online. That's a bit diff…

I was reading recently that Mexico is effectively engaged in a civil war with narcotics traffickers, and it is not clear which side will win.

Do you think this is true, and considering returning to Mexico anyways, or is it just hyperbole?

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If you actually examine the legal issues in depth, it's way more complicated and nuanced that what you imply; that simplifies the problem to the point of falsehood. Something that the Obama administration has actually flat-out said (or "admitted", if you prefer), albeit not to anywhere near the media blitz of the accusations, when they said they need a year to look at the issues involved with closure, because it's no…

If you murdered someone, that would be a simple act; the legal process, though, would be complicated. I'm sure there are aspects of the legal process in terms of repatriating the inmates, for example, that are complicated. What is not complicated is the violation of human rights they suffered. I apologize for the "Nazi thing". I lost my temper; I'm sorry. But that brings up an interesting point: the holocaust was leg…

And I'm pretty sure that the U.S. has signed a treaty (treaties?) making torture illegal, so the administration's behavior is illegal in addition to being immoral. The Bush administration gave absurd definitions of torture to try to classify the torture they were engaged in as not-torture, but I do not think anyone outside of the Bush administration, or knee-jerk partisans, take their definitions seriously.

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I think you are missing an important part. There is low barriers for your job to be shipped abroad. A doctor's job is hard to ship, especially the emergency ones (you still hear about people going abroad for cosmetical work), and lawyers have barriers (you have to pass the Bar, laws changing constantly by state etc.), therefore they can command higher salaries. But for software engineers, the barrier of job shipping…

>While I agree, that H-1B should be used to bring really >skilled people in It is becoming impossible to do academic collaborations with the US - you can't send postdocs/professors to work on US telescopes, particle accelerators etc because they can't get H1B visas. Initially this is great, other coutries part fund the projects but only americans can work on them. the trouble is that the next round of instruments won…

It's even becoming hard to hold academic conferences in the USA. You can't be sure that invited speakers from countries other than Europe/Japan will be allowed in.

Then there are the cases of people being arrested for speaking at computer security conferences, people working on eg. stem cell research outside the USA are worried that they might be next.

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> Everyone knows someone with a story about some horrible entry into the US. Everyone knows someone who has a friend who knew the guy who tried to dry his poodle in the microwave. I'm not saying that Immigration and/or Homeland Security is great, but the rumor-mongering is unjustified. > the problem is that it can happen at all and they're not screw-ups, it's policy. And you know this because.... > I am an Australian…

> I don't know how things are in Australia, but we can't identify criminals and the like without actually checking. Interesting viewpoint. Would you have a problem with having your photograph and fingerprints taken whenever you boarded a domestic flight? I'm sure they'd catch plenty of criminals that way too.

> Interesting viewpoint. Would you have a problem with having your photograph and fingerprints taken whenever you boarded a domestic flight? I'm sure they'd catch plenty of criminals that way too.

It's interesting that you think that domestic travel and crossing a national border are the same.

I know that Australia is concerned about young women visiting. Does it also care about criminals? Does it have any checks?

And, if it does, I'm sure that you're fighting any that aren't applied to domestic travel, right?

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> How easy it is to live there without knowing Spanish Impossible, because if you move somewhere foreign, you're going to learn the language unconsciously within 6 months. People who have only lived in the US don't know this. It almost takes no effort. The human brain is good at this sort of thing.

As someone who has been living in Vienna for the past 4 years (and whose German is his 3rd language), I can tell you that that was certainly not my experience- I could speak basic German at 6 months but it took much longer than that to become fluent. On the other hand, I've heard from friends who spent some time in South America that Spanish is an exceptionally easy language to learn, and that they could speak half-w…

Well, I think English and Spanish both are Latin derivatives while German and Japanese aren't. So that would explain everything.

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Hum... It is not that they (we) are leaving, it is more like they (we) are not even going. I'm a Spaniard, I have worked in five different countries in Europe and Latin America. I'm currently settled in the U.K. I have worked as a consultant, as a developer in a "one-product" company and now I´m working as an in-house developer in a non-tech company. It simply does not make sense to relocate to USA for me. I have had…

> Weak dollar versus euro means that I won´t be able to pay my euro denominated mortgage while living in the U.S. Are you able to pay your "euro denominated mortgage while living" elsewhere (and paying for a second household) in the EU?

Yes, in London.

Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving

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"Not to defend the US Immigration service, but those samples aren't comparable - one is orders of magnitude larger and less reliable." Not to defend the climate of fear generated by media scare stories, but it's more complex than that - the problem isn't that every once in a while someone screws up; the problem is that it can happen at all and they're not screw-ups, it's policy. Everyone knows someone with a story ab…

> Everyone knows someone with a story about some horrible entry into the US. Everyone knows someone who has a friend who knew the guy who tried to dry his poodle in the microwave. I'm not saying that Immigration and/or Homeland Security is great, but the rumor-mongering is unjustified. > the problem is that it can happen at all and they're not screw-ups, it's policy. And you know this because.... > I am an Australian…

"Everyone knows someone who has a friend who knew the guy who tried to dry his poodle in the microwave."

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not talking about some urban legend that gets passed through 10 generations of "friends of friends", I'm saying that many people have had bad experiences with US Immigration, and word gets around. I personally know someone who now enters the US by land via Canada because of his repeated horrendous experiences at the air border.

"I'm not saying that Immigration and/or Homeland Security is great, but the rumor-mongering is unjustified."

Rumours? It goes a bit beyond rumours, don't you think? It's large-scale and well-documented. Personal anecdotes alone do not make something true, but that's not the case here. The personal anecdotes just add a more of a "this could happen to me" dimension to otherwise abstract reports of it happening to someone else.

"And you know this because...."

Because .. it's self evident and obviously true? What are you trying to say - that the hostile suspicion of foreigners at the US Border is not policy?

"I know a Stanford CS PhD student who was put through hell by the Australian equivalent of US Immigration/Homeland Security"

I'm not trying to say we're much better, although at least we don't fingerprint. I have many (in some cases personally witnessed/experienced) grievances against the Australian system.

No need to turn this into a "my country is better than yours" pissing match, I have a real fondness for America and wouldn't even bother having a strong opinion if I didn't care ; )

"Nevertheless, I don't get hysterical about it."

Sigh. I hope I didn't come across as hysterical. I put a bit of emotion into my writing in an attempt to get the point across that it's important to me, not as a sign that I have taken leave of my senses.

"I don't know how things are in Australia, but we can't identify criminals and the like without actually checking."

Huh? We're talking about the US Border, specifically about foreigners trying to visit, many who have never been there before. Are you suggesting that there is a huge list of outstanding arrest warrants for foreign criminals whose faces and fingerprints are on record, and this system is an attempt to catch them? Or that US Border agents are cooperating with overseas police forces to catch escaping criminals or something?

Of course not. I actually don't know why they do it. The whole thing is post-9/11 so I suppose it's part of the "war on terror", but surely the number of "terrorists" who are on the run but whose fingerprints have somehow been recorded is vanishingly small.

Anyway, I hope that with the new administration in charge and the memory of 9/11 receding, this horrible system will be turned off.

Re: The Real High-Tech Immigrant Problem: They’re Leaving

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As someone who has been living in Vienna for the past 4 years (and whose German is his 3rd language), I can tell you that that was certainly not my experience- I could speak basic German at 6 months but it took much longer than that to become fluent. On the other hand, I've heard from friends who spent some time in South America that Spanish is an exceptionally easy language to learn, and that they could speak half-w…

Well, I think English and Spanish both are Latin derivatives while German and Japanese aren't. So that would explain everything.

English is a Germanic language. It's actually Germanic, Greek, and Latin, but...
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