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Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by ryandrake »

overtone1000 wrote: post #58
pesus wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's baffling how oblivious these people appear to be. I still can't tell if it's an act or not. If it is, what benefit do they get from playing dumb? If not, how did we let people who don't understand basic cause and effect or basic human emotion become in charge of the future of the world?

I thought his repeated use of the phrase "ordinary people" instead of something like "laypersons" was a little telling about how he views himself and the members of his industry. The opposite of ordinary is, of course, extraordinary. https://xcancel.com/DarioAmodei/status/2088758816376807762#m

The entire class of people see themselves as better and more deserving than you. They used to at least try to be subtle about it, but there's no real social downside of just going mask-off so they don't even hide it anymore.

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by thephyber »

SoftTalker wrote: post #76
laimewhisps wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pressure on powerful people is good for society. Anyone making life or death decisions for the rest of us should have their own life on the table as well. Charlie Kirk is irrelevant to this conversation. No one has been convicted in his assassination and it's unlikely that it was "activism" since no one has claimed that. He's a guy who said stuff many people found offensive, he also happened to cross a nation state k…

I'm only vaguely familiar with Charlie Kirk and his messaging but assassination is never a valid response to being offended.

> The Democrat Party believes everything that God hates. Like, we’re dealing with maggots, vermin, and swine here. This is not — these are not good people, they’re not even a little bit good.[1]

He also called for the death of Biden (because he was a "tyrant") and all surgeons of transgender people.

If he was merely trying to be offensive, then he succeeded.

If, however, he was trying to make someone fear enough for their life to preemptively defend himself from someone claiming to speak for God + using the same dehumanizing words that have preceded multiple genocides before, then he succeeded.

A "valid" response entirely depends on what you think he was apart of. If you think he was only involved in good faith debates on college campuses and getting out the vote, then obviously shooting the guy was unjustified. But he wasn't only that, so we have to struggle with what his legacy actually was and what might have driven someone to pick up a gun against him.

My point isn't to justify his killing. It's to point out that we need to learn from history so we don't blindly repeat it.

[1] https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-refer...

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by vaylian »

kccqzy wrote: post #48
vaylian wrote: post #26

> “That extra hour was critical. Without it our executives would have departed their meetings, they would have ran right into the heart of the disruption.” > [..] “What could have been a high-stress situation,” Democratic protest is now a high-stress situation?

Of course it is. Are you instead thinking of the carefully controlled and choreographed “protests” in countries like China where the government and especially the police knows with absolute certainty what the crowd is protesting against and how they are protesting, with an overwhelming police presence that’s ready to shut down the whole protest at the first whiff of trouble? And of course it is a high-stress situatio…

> Suppose for the sake of argument you did not vote for Donald Trump, would it not be stressful if no one told you in advance that a group of Trump supporters are protesting against the “unfair” votes right in front of you?

No. There will most likely be a way to get around or through the crowd. The article talks about a protest and not an angry mob.

> Sometimes you just don’t want politics in your life and just want the equivalent of boring suburbs.

At this point AI is a highly political topic and people turn up at a protest, specially because they can't avoid the negative effects of AI in their personal lives.

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by woah »

xinayder wrote: post #39
cldellow wrote: post #34

The editorializing in this article is quite something. If I strip out the editorializing, I think the conclusions are: 1. Someone told Claude they had an AR-15 and the CEO of Anthropic was "in their sights". Anthropic reported this to the police. 2. Anthropic contracts with a security agency. 3. Anthropic is looking to build in-house capability for security. Anthropic clearly has high-value targets (see, e.g. the per…

Don't forget the main point that Anthropic reported the user to the police but didn't share any of his messages or conversation history with the cops. Because their security policy doesn't allow it.

How would you amend the policy?

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by woodgala »

addled wrote: post #102
woodgala wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dark corners?!? The president of the US celebrated the killing of State senator Hortman. The fish rots at the head.

I think I missed this one (or lost in the flood of news). Got a link? All I can find now is him pushing conspiracy theories about it. Him actually celebrating would be the sort of thing that might convince some MAGA leaning folks I know to change their mind.

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Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by slowin »

ryandrake wrote: post #111
overtone1000 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought his repeated use of the phrase "ordinary people" instead of something like "laypersons" was a little telling about how he views himself and the members of his industry. The opposite of ordinary is, of course, extraordinary. https://xcancel.com/DarioAmodei/status/2088758816376807762#m

The entire class of people see themselves as better and more deserving than you. They used to at least try to be subtle about it, but there's no real social downside of just going mask-off so they don't even hide it anymore.

I think there are social downsides, which is why they want mass surveillance and to avoid being confronted by the people who don't agree that they are our "betters".

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by AnonyX387 »

rottencupcakes wrote: post #81
Analemma_ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you should think of it like "playing a game", you should think of it as "posting to a web service you don't control". If you posted on a web forum about your plans for violence against the CEO of that forum, they'd probably contact the police too, and I don't particularly think there's anything sinister about this.

So we're creating a system where people who can afford their own hardware can speak to AI freely but the plebes will be monitored by the elites for any attempted uprising?

> Richard Stallman was right about everything.

He might be right about this but everything is really pushing it.

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by seemaze »

seemaze wrote: post #36
corv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Future so bright I need to wear sunglasses — at night

>Future so bright I need to wear ... shades [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY FTFY

forgot about this verse:

I'm a peeping tom techie with X-ray eyes

Things are going great, and they're only getting better

Re: Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists

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Post by generic92034 »

rottencupcakes wrote: post #99
generic92034 wrote: post #62

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While I mostly agree, was that really different with googling certain topics, before modern AI?

I had to give this thought, but yes. I could use Tor or Google from the library if I wanted. Maybe I would accidentally leak my paper trail, like the Dread Pirate Roberts (Ross Ulbricht) did. But it was possible. The AI systems require an account.

I can still use chatgpt without an account. Maybe it will be a limited model, but for discussing/analyzing some topics it still does fine, most of the time. You just cannot code with it.
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