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Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

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Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even copyrighted information can never be "stolen". It can only copied without authorization.

Stealing is not a word that applies only to physical objects.

Funnily enough in some legal systems it does. Where I live the legal definition of “theft” is: Taking away a movable thing.

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#113
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even copyrighted information can never be "stolen". It can only copied without authorization.

Stealing is not a word that applies only to physical objects.

Any word can be applied to any concept with any meaning thanks to the fluidity of vernacular.

Language is all just sounds and markings. Anything can be redefined to mean anything, and anyone can decide to aggressively assert their preferred definition of a word.

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#116
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even copyrighted information can never be "stolen". It can only copied without authorization.

Stealing is not a word that applies only to physical objects.

Stole the words right out of my mouth!

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing is not a word that applies only to physical objects.

Funnily enough in some legal systems it does. Where I live the legal definition of “theft” is: Taking away a movable thing.

That's also... a different word.

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#118
These logs containing opaque blobs could accidentally contain secrets, the researchers decoded many of reasoning blocks from public repositories and reported finding PII and credentials.

I was experimenting a bit how I could block these using an ingress path. GitHub /softcane/hamza

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#119
Apparently you can do the same by simply running it without reasoning, while giving it a thinking tool...

>guys you do know you can just disable thinking, and instead give it a "deep_think" tool, and it will call it with internal CoT reasoning format right?

>gl fixing that

https://x.com/_can1357/status/2087228354399265125?s=20

Re: Stealing Reasoning Traces from Proprietary LLM APIs

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing is not a word that applies only to physical objects.

Any word can be applied to any concept with any meaning thanks to the fluidity of vernacular. Language is all just sounds and markings. Anything can be redefined to mean anything, and anyone can decide to aggressively assert their preferred definition of a word.

Words can change meaning, but whether or not they actually do is a social function of how they are observably used. Words can also have multiple meanings concurrently. When it comes to the word "steal" in these discussions, people generally are arguing past each other in regards to the single definition they're thinking of.

Of course, you can assert that the meaning of "steal" only applies to physical items. You are well within your right to do so. You'd be wrong, but you can do it.

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