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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by soraminazuki »

basch wrote: post #107
soraminazuki wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. That was him mocking his users in private, knowing he was exploiting kids who had no clue what they were getting into. > the following exchange is between a 19-year-old Mark Zuckerberg and a friend shortly after Mark launched The Facebook in his dorm room: > Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard > Zuck: Just ask. > Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS > [Redacted Friend's…

It has nothing to do with exploiting them. It was about them turning over personal information to a nobody. It can be insightful and curt at the same time.

If you don't see that as exploitation, then we have much bigger issues to discuss. Like baseline ethics.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by franze »

thefourthchime wrote: post #104
franze wrote: post #50

i was wondering why meta has such a hard time with llm development its the organisational goal of that endeavour they are doing it in a phase of firing people so the goal of llm at meta is "to make people redundant" and no matter of HR/PR speak can change it antrophic and openai have the goal "lets create the future" whomever they hire and no matter how much money they spend on it, the goal alone will create very dif…

The goal of all companies is to make more money. Nobody likes getting rid of people, actual people (managers) have to do it, and they hate doing it. It's possible that a lot of people get laid off because of AI, but it's also possible that Javin's paradox kicks in and employment goes up. Nobody knows yet, but I hope for the positive outcome.

i disagree

earning money is an effect of running a company, not a goal.

its like saying the goal of an olympic swimmer is to stay afloat. no, staying afloat is a prerequisite of winning. not a goal in itself.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Melatonic »

basch wrote: post #78
drob518 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a long term pattern. When you’re winning (Anthropic), you keep the tech closed and try to monetize it as much as possible. When you’re losing (Meta), you open it up or drag it into a standards committee to either devalue it or slow the leader down while you prepare a “standard” version of it. You also highlight how altruistic and morally good you are for having done so. There is nothing new under the sun. It’s a…

No. Opening it is to commoditize and reduce the price to use. This increases participation and creates new consumers and demand. Demand creates justification for further creation. All the participants know it’s both a race to the bottom and a competition for premium tier at the same time. It’s two different games, meta in only really playing one of them successfully.

I suspect its also because Facebook has the infrastructure to do this. One thing they have done from the start is quite good infrastructure without outsourcing to any of the big cloud providers. I cant imagine demand / bandwith / compute use is increasing much for Facebook itself so they probably have the money and time to dedicate to scaling up for AI research.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by frenchtoast8 »

paxys wrote: post #88
frenchtoast8 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any particular quote you want to share?

It is one page of text. I think you can manage to read it and come to your own conclusions without relying on clickbait headlines and out of context quotes. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/23/technology/meta-layoffs.h...

You clearly have an opinion you want to share, otherwise you wouldn't have written anything. Instead of just outright saying what you think, you are being vague. Why? It's true that Meta laid off a lot of people, and blamed refocusing on AI as the reason, but I still don't see how that somehow contradicts GP's quote above.

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Post by lenerdenator »

gaigalas wrote: post #94
lenerdenator wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously, this old thinker never had to think about creating value for shareholders or disrupting markets or changing the future.

My mistake, I disregarded shareholders . One must always think of them when recalling ancient wisdom.

We all make mistakes.

Please go self-flagellate in front of the nearest investment bank/retirement fund's offices to make your penance.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by a2ff6eeb0 »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

> The more open source software out there the better.

Can you explain how I'd train my own version of this, reproducing the final deliverable that runs on the gpu?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by alfalfasprout »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #116
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

> The more open source software out there the better. Can you explain how I'd train my own version of this, reproducing the final deliverable that runs on the gpu?

The weights are open, the training data obviously isn't. But a key thing you can do with open models is fine tune them. So while they may not be SOTA at everything, they can become SOTA at your particular business use case.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by bogzz »

misiti3780 wrote: post #90
paxys wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now go read Zuck’s comments on AI when he fired 8000 employees earlier this year.

did he fire 8000 people because of AI, or because he over hired in ZIRP like everyone else?

Or mayhaps he overspent lately in the pursuit of AI that MIGHT replace workers, like everyone else.

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Post by verdverm »

ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

It's not always "unquestionably" good, first because nothing should be unquestionable, second llm models have a very short shelf life, third it comes from Zuck who is an the center of the oligarchy, so questions very much should be asked

Don't let the Big Ai/tech swoon you with a single open model, even if it turns out to be good. Zuck broke the trust and I'm not sure if he can ever earn it back

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Post by pjmlp »

kylecazar wrote: post #25
ViktorRay wrote: post #20

Comments here are surprising to me. I get folks don’t like Zuckerberg and his company and don’t trust his intentions… I don’t either. But this is an unquestionably good thing right?. The more open source software out there the better. And the more open weights or even over source AI stuff the better too right? More competition the better generally speaking I think. Unless I’m missing something and am getting this who…

Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

If only folks did the same in regards to React adoption....
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