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Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by jmclnx »

Curious how the various Linux distros and *BSD will handle this.

I expect the Corporate distros (RHEL, SUSE, Ubuntu) will be happy to get that personal info from its users. The other US based distros, maybe ban its use in Illinois ?

I expect one BSD OS will ignore it completely because they are outside of US jurisdiction. Not sure what the others can do. Of the others, one does have a decent amount of cash, the other ones are just squeaking by. So who knows what will happen with those.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by rascul »

drnick1 wrote: post #4
orionblastar wrote: post #2

This is censorship; it is like saying you can't eat a steak because a baby can't chew it. They will try to ban Linux or fine Linux developers unless it reports the user's age.

How? Linux developers don't live in Illinois or even in the USA for the most part.

There's a number of Linux developers living in the USA. I wouldn't be surprised if any live in the Chicago area.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by inigyou »

birksherty wrote: post #107
inigyou wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the state proposed every OS must have parental controls activated via a checkbox would you say the same? Because that's what they actually did except the checkbox is a numeric text field.

Yes. Seems like accounts are made by fb/meta to support them in hn.

Really? You oppose any form of parental controls existing in an OS and you think anyone who supports them is a Meta shill?

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by evan_a_a »

nerdsniper wrote: post #17
rendaw wrote: post #9

> The law also stipulates that all transmitted digital signals have to be encrypted. I'm hoping there's nuance, but I'm surprised the article didn't go deeper on this too. ARP? ICMP? DHCP? I can't actually load the bill to read it ATM.

try: https://ilga.gov/Legislation/BillStatus/FullText?GAID=18&Doc... It only requires the encryption of the specific age-bracket signals mandated by Section 10 of the bill. What you're looking for is here: Section 10. Age assurance requirements. ... (d) All digital signals transmitted in accordance with this Section shall be encrypted to ensure data integrity and security.

Encryption does not ensure data integrity, sigh...

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by lern_too_spel »

isdononthephone wrote: post #22
nl wrote: post #21

Background: Meta/Facebook, Google and Apple all support age verification. It gives them legal cover and for their ad platforms gives better data. But Meta/FB have been strongly lobbying to make it required at the OS level, so they aren't responsible for it, whereas Google and Apple both want it to be an application responsibility. I think the CA version of this ended up with a carve-out for open source? I can't recal…

> all support age verification No, they all support harvesting your data so they can continue doing what they do best: building shadow profiles and targeting ads. Nothing a signal of an age group tells them more than "send me more ads for XX year-olds". Why do you think it's always a question asked in online surveys?

Online surveys are for age ranges of people who aren't minors. Minors aren't allowed to have their data targeted for advertising. If access to this signal can be used to show they were targeted deliberately, that can warrant setting fines near the limit.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by lern_too_spel »

rendaw wrote: post #9

> The law also stipulates that all transmitted digital signals have to be encrypted. I'm hoping there's nuance, but I'm surprised the article didn't go deeper on this too. ARP? ICMP? DHCP? I can't actually load the bill to read it ATM.

In practice, this means TLS, but there is no reason to write that into the law.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by lern_too_spel »

spockz wrote: post #46
raincole wrote: post #23

That's the correct way to do it. Age should be something reported by browser/os/hardware. Something similar to User-Agent. I really hope this will end the whole third party age verification farce.

It could be part of the Accept header which already indicates language. It could serve as a signal that you only want to see content that is appropriate for that age bracket. Where appropriate means what the site wants to serve according to the laws of their jurisdiction. But to require OS to implement all of this goes way to far and together with the proposed verification mechanisms is a privacy nightmare.

There are no proposed verification mechanisms in Illinois. This is purely a consolidation of parental controls.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by Razengan »

isdononthephone wrote: post #47

What's most shocking to me is the willingness to comply on display here and elsewhere. If the state proposes you stick a corncob up your rear, your initial response shouldn't be to ask if they prefer you use a rubber or wooden mallet to achieve compliance.

> If the state proposes you stick a corncob up your rear, your initial response shouldn't be to ask if they prefer you use a rubber or wooden mallet to achieve compliance.

Judging by the willingness to bend over shown here and on posts like "Everything You Do Is Being Recorded " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49230477

you'd think the average HNer prefers it done by hand, with a repeating wavelike motion.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by stevenalowe »

forestrywat wrote: post #30
stevenalowe wrote: post #15

illogical hubris - no state can regulate the internet; no state can compel developers to write code. the court cases on this will be interesting

I think you'll find they don't have to compel you to write code. They can simply prevent you from doing something else if you don't meet an obligation. Many many industries have compliance obligations that compel speech. Therapists have to report certain things if they hear them. Managers have a duty to report. My restaurant time I was required to write temperature logs. The idea that code can't be compelled to fit a…

All of your examples are state and local regulations that apply to people and corps in the state, not everyone everywhere

And there’s no need to be insulting

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