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Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by cindyllm »

miyoji wrote: post #110
asdff wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they don’t, capital will put in an executive that will. You will notice profit has strong alignment. No one gives a shit about you or me or this green earth. All those execs give a shit about the next quarter.

And? Other people's immorality does not excuse one's own. Other people kill and steal, that doesn't mean that I should do it anyway because other people are going to whether I do or not. That just makes the world, and me, worse. "They'll find someone else to do it, so it's okay for me to do it" is a classic example of flawed and immoral ethical thinking. We could go for broke and add in "I was just following orders"…

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Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by dylan604 »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #103
dylan604 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if I ever serve for jury duty over a case like that, they didn't do it. Now you're bending facts. You can decide they are not guilty of a crime, but you can't make them have not done it.

And you're just being a pedant, aiming for the worst kind of correct.

nope, read my response lower in this thread before your knee jerk reaction

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49158933

Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by rationalist »

legitster wrote: post #30

I know we're all sharpening pitchforks for Flock - but the national license plate database has been leading to mistakes like this for decades . Some states also compound the problem by issuing a license plate number multiple times . So long before Flock getting someone else's speed camera tickets in the mail was already a problem.

One of my plate numbers was reissued. I only found out when I went to renew the registration and they gave me a new plate and told me then. It was a shame because I liked that random combination of letters and numbers.

Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by xboxnolifes »

dylan604 wrote: post #112
xboxnolifes wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you're just being a pedant, aiming for the worst kind of correct.

nope, read my response lower in this thread before your knee jerk reaction https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49158933

You're being a pedant because it's a common saying to say "if they did it, no they didn't". Everyone knows what is meant by saying it. Going through all of those words to explain what everyone already knows is what it means to be a pedant.

Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by xkcd1963 »

rationalist wrote: post #114
legitster wrote: post #30

I know we're all sharpening pitchforks for Flock - but the national license plate database has been leading to mistakes like this for decades . Some states also compound the problem by issuing a license plate number multiple times . So long before Flock getting someone else's speed camera tickets in the mail was already a problem.

One of my plate numbers was reissued. I only found out when I went to renew the registration and they gave me a new plate and told me then. It was a shame because I liked that random combination of letters and numbers.

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Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by pc86 »

righthand wrote: post #106
pc86 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But when the police report was created and the plate was entered into Flock’s system, it was just recorded as 34 DTM. The license plate is 34 DTM. There is nothing about Flock that caused this to happen - had any officer run this plate while sitting behind the car in traffic, exactly the same thing would have happened.

The difference is the officer doing police work and running a plate and it wouldn’t have happened. Instead the officer did not do police work and responded to an automated flagging by a dragnet like a drone. The dragnet did the police work. This is 100% the fault of Flock!

Look at the photo of the license plate. If a cop pulls up behind that car and runs the plate, or gets a call for "34 DTM," that car is 100% getting pulled over.

Dragnet surveillance is unconstitutional and the people involved belong in prison, but dragnet surveillance didn't cause this. Putting the wrong plate into the system did.

Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by tencentshill »

dundarious wrote: post #95

Is there any evidence or other form of justification for the Flock CEO's claims about how it is responsible for SF's crime downturn? I find it hard to believe that Flock cameras are at the heart of such a wide-ranging effect. I am not a local, and I have only done a cursory search, but I don't see the elected officials making the same claim -- I have seen them say it has more to do with changing socioeconomic factors…

>like San Francisco, where crime is incredibly hard to get away with—so hard that people just choose not to do it.

hilarious.

Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by trinsic2 »

If you are "sitting down" with anyone from Flock you are not facing the the truth of what this is. There is clearly an effort to install a nation-wide surveillance system and flock is right in the middle of it. They know what they are doing. Stop giving them a platform.

Re: Flock's CEO Faced Me After Its Cameras Led to My Wrongful Stop

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Post by dundarious »

tencentshill wrote: post #118
dundarious wrote: post #95

Is there any evidence or other form of justification for the Flock CEO's claims about how it is responsible for SF's crime downturn? I find it hard to believe that Flock cameras are at the heart of such a wide-ranging effect. I am not a local, and I have only done a cursory search, but I don't see the elected officials making the same claim -- I have seen them say it has more to do with changing socioeconomic factors…

>like San Francisco, where crime is incredibly hard to get away with—so hard that people just choose not to do it. hilarious.

Exactly, the charge rates for the type of crime he was talking about (stealing from cars) are still incredibly bad, his claims are incredibly suspect.
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