I'm reminded of a graphic novel by Barry Jones called "The Book of Niall" about an actor going through "depersonalization-derealization disorder", a similar form of dissociation that the author himself struggled with. It's really difficult to describe but the graphic novel I think does it well. Highly recommend it
Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
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Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 'Dunning-Kruger effect' of internet folklore is not what was in the original paper. And the original paper hasn't held up to well either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect#... (and Wikipedia is very mild and nice to the authors). See eg https://replicationindex.com/2020/09/13/the-dunning-kruger-e...
Not disagreeing on that front. But the article I saw on /new and the spacedaily one, regardless of their accuracy, certainly looked like wholly AI generated writing to me
Oh, ok, that makes sense!
I was just going on a tangential rant about DK.
Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure what capitalization has to do with anything. You can answer my question without being a pedant.
No man can answer your question. https://m.xkcd.com/1704/ This is a neologism to describe something that is "not in the DSM" and not concretely documented in a particular study. This alleged phenomenon and coinage is the emergent result of some analysis by this journalist, writing for a commercial news site that sells ads but does not launch any astronauts or spacecraft anywhere, much less interview or evaluate them…
Thank you, that's extremely clarifying. There's so much confidence in these comments about apparently nothing.
Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#114I used to spend weeks outdoors in the wilderness without ever entering a building (I would sleep in a small tent) and I used to have a similar range of sensations when coming back home and/or going into an enclosed building for the first time. This used to last maybe for a couple days. Two more things that I used to experience, which are not among the phenomena described in the article, is that I was hyper aware of h…
> I used to spend weeks outdoors in the wilderness without ever entering a building Ok, you nerd sniped me here. Did you ever write (or blog) about these experiences? If not, I would highly encourage it. Example questions that I have: Where/When/Why? What seasons? How did you eat? Toilet? It would be a star submission on HN and would surely generate lots of exciting commentary.
Ahah you're right I guess it would be interesting to some readers. The long story short is that growing up I used to be involved with the scouting association of my country (Italy), and we learned various outdoor/survival skills during camps and hikes, then later as a young adult I kept hiking as a hobby, I used to hike through mountain trails for extended periods, (between 2 and 6 weeks) in between semesters when I was in university, sometimes in a group and sometimes solo[1]. I haven't done any of that in about two decades, and I'm not sure I have enough mental focus to blog about stuff that happened such a long time ago. If you talk to anyone who is into hiking/bushwalking, they will tell you that it's pretty common to find yourself on a track where you don't cross any human settlement for an extended period, this happens even in densely populated countries like Italy and I guess it's even more common in places like the USA.
[1] I don't recommend solo hiking for extended periods, I was young and careless.
Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#115Moving this out of a subthread, but I can't find any sources corroborating the the phenomenon described in this article. In fact a lot of the literature from NASA seems to explicitly contradict the claims in the article[0][1]. Obviously not dispositive, but this article reads to me at least partially like AI confabulation. Perhaps my Google-fu is lacking here but I had Claude do a search as well for good measure and…
All these links are not working to me
Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
No man can answer your question. https://m.xkcd.com/1704/ This is a neologism to describe something that is "not in the DSM" and not concretely documented in a particular study. This alleged phenomenon and coinage is the emergent result of some analysis by this journalist, writing for a commercial news site that sells ads but does not launch any astronauts or spacecraft anywhere, much less interview or evaluate them…
Thank you, that's extremely clarifying. There's so much confidence in these comments about apparently nothing.
I wish it was nothing
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#117I spent months underwater on a US submarine and felt the same thing. Later the Navy pdoc labelled it dissociation, which is in the DSM. Common Types and Symptoms Depersonalization: Feeling detached from your own body, mind, or actions, like watching yourself in a movie. Derealization: Feeling that the outside world is fake, dreamlike, or foggy. Dissociative Amnesia: Forgetting important personal information or blocks…
The observer effect, depersonalization and derealization sound a lot like how many mystical traditions describe awakening of Self-realization
I think the article mixed the two and I focused on the negative. Dissociation is seeing the world in 2D like watching a movie and mindfulness is being fully present in 3D with all your senses. I've experienced both.
Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#118Moving this out of a subthread, but I can't find any sources corroborating the the phenomenon described in this article. In fact a lot of the literature from NASA seems to explicitly contradict the claims in the article[0][1]. Obviously not dispositive, but this article reads to me at least partially like AI confabulation. Perhaps my Google-fu is lacking here but I had Claude do a search as well for good measure and…
All these links are not working to me
The links are cropped because they were copied from the "rendered" version of the original comment which you'll find by scrolling down the thread. Working links:
https://humanresearchroadmap.nasa.gov/Evidence/reports/BMed....
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-30583-2_...
Re: Astronauts describe persistent 'observer' sensation after 6 month missions
#119AI Slop writing
Of course it is. And as usual the comment pointing this out is being downvoted and only to be found at the end of the thread. This aggregator's community approach to important signals like that is baffling.
Yeah until another post got more visibility, mine was +3 then some people who don't do a close inspection or think others know as little as they do about quality non-fiction and writing habits and are thus speaking flippantly and acting in bad faith
(see the anonymous posts site from the other day for an age/person sample of this populace):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49069791
And it's not remotely asked merely on a first glance or just some bullets. It's more like, i know what i am saying and can delineate many structural and 'habitual' giveaways that ppl don't even talk about.