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I can understand why the Western media calls something that has an official name of CPC (the Communist Party of China) as CCP (Chinese Communist Party? Not sure here). What puzzles me is - why ordinary people always repeat this wrong abbreviation. Is it like “I never check the sources, I trust everything that Western media publishes”?

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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> Anthropic has never advocated for a ban on open-weights models. > All sufficiently capable models, open and closed, should go through mandatory safety testing. Yeah, this is anthropic advocating for a ban on open weight models. Who runs this test? What happens if this test is too costly or the administrator refuses to allow certain people to participate. This is exactly how the US has banned goods in the past, by r…

> > All sufficiently capable models, open and closed, should go through mandatory safety testing.

> Yeah, this is anthropic advocating for a ban on open weight models.

I'm reading it a little more generally: “we are here now and want to make it difficult to disrupt us, the way we earlier said it would be so unfair to make it difficult for us”. Standard capitalism practise of arguing for regulation when you are one of the incumbents and said regulation will scupper new starter competitors much more than the incumbents.

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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If this is about safety, am I being too naive & idealistic to think that a "Kamar-Taj" rule would solve some safety issues? The "Kamar-Taj" rule is, no knowledge is forbidden, only certain practices. If a model gives you detailed instructions on how to kill all humans, the knowledge itself isn't the problem. The problem is the person who acts on it.

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Re: Our position on open-weights models

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> The NSA and the CIA with the same models, on the other hand, would use them exclusively for the good of the common man. has anyone ever made this absurd argument? the real argument is that CCP will leverage AI against US interests, which is obvious. it's weird how so many people pretend that they are citizens of the world and above it all.

>the real argument is that CCP will leverage AI against US interests

many people believe that the US will leverage AI against US citizen's interests.

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Demand #1 is standard political nonsense Demand #2 is hypocritical ladder pulling Demand #3 is contrary to freedom of speech so they can clarify however they like, their position is still a stinker

Yep. > We should crack down on industrial-scale distillation operations. "We consume all intellectual property for our model but you cannot do the same"

It's worth adding that distillation is not a violation of whatever valid copyright interests a model maker may have (if any). The US Copyright Office has already said AI model-generated output by itself isn't copyrightable. Unless new regulations or laws are enacted, distillation will remain, at most, a customer violating a term of a provider's commercial ToS/EULA.

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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Demand #1 weakens america and everyone around them

Demand #2 Why does this matter? The answer was that it does not. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49007610)

Demand #3 This doesn't exist. You cannot have 'safe' opensource models, it's simply impossible. You can always post train sufficiently capable models to become 'unsafe'. The flip side of that is that sufficiently capable models are banned therefore it is a ban on open intelligence completely defeating the point of this entire manifesto.

Re: Our position on open-weights models

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>My primary concern is the risk that authoritarian governments—not solely the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), although the CCP is clearly the most capable threat—build AI models that are more powerful than those built by the US, and use them to achieve permanent military superiority or perpetrate incredibly deep repression of their own people.

This reads like a satire. I know Dario isn't that dumb.

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