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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by worthless-trash »

jjkaczor wrote: post #97
worthless-trash wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't prey by definition in danger. If you honestly believe what you're saying you're going to have a REALLY BAD TIME in the wild.

Depends on the environment - in that book for example, Arctic wolves were not the cause of large (in physical size - the caribou) prey animal population decline, even though the "feelings" of the average person was that they must be the reason. Outside of fiction, wolves are not ravenous beasts that hunt everything and anything in sight. Predators do tend to go for the weak/sick, older or younger/inexperienced target…

You're looking at the problem from the 5,000 foot view.

Prey is whatever is at risk of being consumed. I have made no attempt at classifying wolves behavior in my comment.

Edit: I do take the prey/predator relationship very seriously, I wrote about what I do here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46462101

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by jorisw »

vikingly wrote: post #45
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #4

If you read canceling as part of the "cancel culture" and not canceling the subscription, then this two statements seam contradictory > Cancelling "Hey" > I definitely don't believe in trying to change people's minds by shouting at them or shaming them

The blogpost has the attitude problem of virtue signaling about decisions that has zero cost to themselves, about a communal kin based socialist society them know little about. Normal working families with kids live next to these parks and rely on them as open space, it is part of the Danish socialist welfare system and care for the working man. Defacation and open cooking plus thrash by not your own weak but foreign…

Downvoted for 'socialist society'.

May want to read the Wikipedia entries on both Denmark and socialism.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by The_Blade »

rockostrich wrote: post #100
roughly wrote: post #16

I live in Oakland. Something I've noticed in a lot of the "THE CITY IS GOING TO HELL" commentary is that often people are pointing at visual symptoms - a homeless encampment, graffiti - as a proxy for "things are bad," and it doesn't take a lot of pulling on that thread before you get to "well just look at them," and it's real hard to cast that one in a "race-neutral" way. I've heard people complaining about hot dog…

I've lived in east coast cities (NYC, Boston, and Philadelphia) for the majority of my adult life and while homelessness is less of a problem in the northeast because of the climate there is still a good amount of it in the major cities. I think it becomes way too easy to tune out those commentaries and avoid the parts of the city that they apply to. In Philadelphia, I lived a few blocks away from the Girard stop on…

> I don't think trying to contain people to specific areas is a good solution.

Hamsterdam

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by saghm »

vikingly wrote: post #45
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #4

If you read canceling as part of the "cancel culture" and not canceling the subscription, then this two statements seam contradictory > Cancelling "Hey" > I definitely don't believe in trying to change people's minds by shouting at them or shaming them

The blogpost has the attitude problem of virtue signaling about decisions that has zero cost to themselves, about a communal kin based socialist society them know little about. Normal working families with kids live next to these parks and rely on them as open space, it is part of the Danish socialist welfare system and care for the working man. Defacation and open cooking plus thrash by not your own weak but foreign…

> Normal working families with kids live next to these parks and rely on them as open space, it is part of the Danish socialist welfare system and care for the working man. Defacation and open cooking plus thrash by not your own weak but foreigners has real cost to those that can’t afford to move.

The article made it pretty clear that they're not arguing against deporting people who are camping in parks though, and just arguing against generalizing the issue as being about the entire ethnic group. Are you claiming that somehow having a communal kin based socialist society makes it impossible to have, using the term in the article, "individuated enforcement"?

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by adamrezich »

borromakot wrote: post #76

It is sad that such a song and dance is required when anyone with half a brain can read the racism in DHH's post. Imagine a scenario that a black family moved into your neighborhood and started causing a bunch of problems. There are no other black people in the neighborhood. It should take you a picosecond to figure out which one of these is obviously racist and which isn't: "We need to remove the black people from o…

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Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by dcanelhas »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

Facts alone won't get you to answers about what you should do about something.

Whether your personal view is that the solution to low income migrants entering your country should be outright genocide, deportation, societal integration, welfare, or something else - it's not going to be based on a statement of fact.

A fact is that the elderly who have retired from the workfrorce are no longer contributing to the national wealth, they're also using the public health system more than any other demographic. Clearly we should...

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by etempleton »

I was disappointed to read this and hear language and using allusions that parallel arguments made by hate groups.

I think DHH can take a stance that overly lax immigration policy has led to issues, if that is what he believes. That may be true, I don’t know, and I have no issues with policy debate around that, but directly comparing a specific race of emigrant people as wolves preying on native peoples, sheep is pretty gross.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by xp84 »

windowshopping wrote: post #19

I used to admire that guy. I don't understand why anyone still works at Basecamp with posts like this to be honest. How do people justify it to themselves? Maybe it's just harder to switch jobs now with AI, I don't know.

Maybe a lot of people actually agree with him, and would rather we expect more of people, rather than simply defining criminal activity as an unconscious effect of one's being somehow oppressed, or one's great-great-grandparents being oppressed, or whatever.

The culture in question have been infamous for centuries for their value system which is incompatible with most others. Just as it's okay for devout Islamists to find the whole American value system disgusting and want nothing to do with it, it's okay for DHH and other Westerners to find the Roma value system disgusting. It's a belief system they choose, it's not something like skin that people cannot change.

In America there's a lot of ethical ambiguity given how recently most current residents' ancestors arrived. But in Denmark? Did the Roma build that society? (Possible) EU citizenship aside, I find it hard to judge Danes who feel that ethically, they don't have a right to degrade that society with crime and vagrancy. Same as I don't blame English people who don't like certain things going on there.

The article being referred to says "When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them" - it doesn't say "you deport everyone of that race," it's about the people causing problems. If you allow literally any behavior, no matter how antisocial, bad actors will ruin everything for everyone. Only the most obtuse person doesn't recognize the truth of that, deep down.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by wazdra »

watt wrote: post #30

I think the author is taking umbrage with DHH using the word "gypsies" where it might have been "junkies" or just "homeless". I see it in Berlin, rise of agressive, smelly begging in U-Bahn (I witnessed a beggar actually attacking passengers, hitting a woman). People walking around having fully shit their pants. This, I presume, is tolerated in the name of individualism, that the individual is free to choose how they…

"gypsie" cannot be substituted by "junky" or "homeless", for the simple reason that those words simply mask the ethnicity and immigration overtones, which are very much present in DHH's blog post. I haven't found your message racist, but this first sentence might give the impression that you are willing to turn a blind eye to the racism of others if their views align with yours concerning the presence of drug addicts and homeless people in public space.

And once you look at the problems you mention without taking the easy way out ("They're aliens and should just be excluded from our society"), the question is not so much whether they have the right to do this, but how we, as a society, can provide care to those people.

Also, I can't understand your presumption that "This is tolerated in the name of individualism". The situation your are describing is a public health issue, not a question of lawfulness.

Re: Canceling "Hey"

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Post by yreg »

moritzwarhier wrote: post #26

I was really wanting to read this, I had a morbid interest in Hey.com's cancellation policy. After 3+ paragraphs and an effin PG quote, there still is no point. There once were angry submissions (or comments?) here about how hard it is to cancel NYT. I was expecting the Hey-version of that, instead I got long-winded prose that sounds like a bunch of college boys trying to sound smart. No thanks. I guess the E-mail-se…

The article doesn't mention Hey or the cancellation anywhere after the PG paragraph.
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