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Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

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Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

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Post by trueno »

kaoD wrote: post #91
pas wrote: post #72

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that doesn't mean much. it has a lot of tests, the architect seems sane, it fits a niche (for example scripts baked into container images don't need full (Node + tsx + esbuild) or Bun/Deno)

Personally my benchmark for a compiler is way higher than "it has a lot of tests". Way higher.

this. it's also insane that some are willing to do anything but use something other than javascript. out of all the languages to die on a hill for...

the only group i noddingly approve of being that programmatically bigoted are the clojure-or-i'm-setting-myself-on-fire guys. they've earned it

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

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Post by daishi55 »

leansensei wrote: post #54
satvikpendem wrote: post #39

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"Actual engineers" don't really care about software engineering, much less a strong emotion at all like the "deepest contempt" and many of them already vibe code today for their work anyway.

Oh no, we do, because the software world has been abusing what engineering means for decades, in order to inflate job titles. Most people are programmers, not software engineers, and that's OK.

What we do is absolutely engineering, there’s just a lot less credentialing upfront and rigor before something is released, because usually people’s lives do not depend on it and it’s easy to release updates.

But it is indeed engineering, and that’s OK.

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

#113

Post by reactordev »

pjmlp wrote: post #75
JoeDohn wrote: post #50

Vercel sloping it's way to clout again, they do this every month or so, clearly they want to stay in the news and some how credible and relevant. I can't think of any serious company or project that would use this thing. P.S: I just checked the contributors list, I have the utmost respect to them (notably simonw), but clearly this code is claude'ish but it is not among the contributor which makes it even more suspect…

Most SaaS products have Vercel as partner, with Next.js and React as the tier 1 SDK on their tooling.

Careful using the term “most” when you mean “the ones I know of”. You would be surprised how much Angular is out there.

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

#114

Post by pjmlp »

reactordev wrote: post #113
pjmlp wrote: post #75

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Most SaaS products have Vercel as partner, with Next.js and React as the tier 1 SDK on their tooling.

Careful using the term “most” when you mean “the ones I know of”. You would be surprised how much Angular is out there.

Name one that gives 100% parity to React in their SDK to write extensions.

Not works in some of the cases and you have to implement fetch calls yourself, or some iframe boilerplate and JS glue, everything they expose in React is fully available in Angular, including field extensions, inline previews, sidebar extensions, the whole lot.

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

#115

Post by mattstir »

pjmlp wrote: post #114
reactordev wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful using the term “most” when you mean “the ones I know of”. You would be surprised how much Angular is out there.

Name one that gives 100% parity to React in their SDK to write extensions. Not works in some of the cases and you have to implement fetch calls yourself, or some iframe boilerplate and JS glue, everything they expose in React is fully available in Angular, including field extensions, inline previews, sidebar extensions, the whole lot.

That doesn't change the fact that there is a lot of Angular out there. No one's doubting how useful Next.js may or may not be, it's just a matter of fact that plenty of systems were created before it was available and not everyone has the luxury of rewriting their entire product.

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

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Post by bilalq »

piterrro wrote: post #56
JoeDohn wrote: post #50

Vercel sloping it's way to clout again, they do this every month or so, clearly they want to stay in the news and some how credible and relevant. I can't think of any serious company or project that would use this thing. P.S: I just checked the contributors list, I have the utmost respect to them (notably simonw), but clearly this code is claude'ish but it is not among the contributor which makes it even more suspect…

That's a one big hell of a contribution ;-) https://github.com/vercel-labs/scriptc/commit/725b931cf43ba7...

I get so irritated every time Claude says "honest". Anthropic talks about how they specifically engineer for it to be "honest". I'm convinced they're just measuring how many times it says the word honest instead.

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

#117

Post by zaphirplane »

daishi55 wrote: post #112
leansensei wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, we do, because the software world has been abusing what engineering means for decades, in order to inflate job titles. Most people are programmers, not software engineers, and that's OK.

What we do is absolutely engineering, there’s just a lot less credentialing upfront and rigor before something is released, because usually people’s lives do not depend on it and it’s easy to release updates. But it is indeed engineering, and that’s OK.

Why is it engineering what makes it engineering

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

#118

Post by pjmlp »

mattstir wrote: post #115
pjmlp wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name one that gives 100% parity to React in their SDK to write extensions. Not works in some of the cases and you have to implement fetch calls yourself, or some iframe boilerplate and JS glue, everything they expose in React is fully available in Angular, including field extensions, inline previews, sidebar extensions, the whole lot.

That doesn't change the fact that there is a lot of Angular out there. No one's doubting how useful Next.js may or may not be, it's just a matter of fact that plenty of systems were created before it was available and not everyone has the luxury of rewriting their entire product.

Moving goalposts, the point was about SaaS SDKs giving tier1 support for React and nothing else, thus giving Vercel their current market position.

Invalidating the remark "I can't think of any serious company or project that would use this thing."

Where's the example?

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

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Post by vessenes »

bilalq wrote: post #116
piterrro wrote: post #56

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That's a one big hell of a contribution ;-) https://github.com/vercel-labs/scriptc/commit/725b931cf43ba7...

I get so irritated every time Claude says "honest". Anthropic talks about how they specifically engineer for it to be "honest". I'm convinced they're just measuring how many times it says the word honest instead.

It's in the constitution, probably a lot. And in the RL training. You can tell Anthropic is really worried about it. I'm interested in just how dishonest the so-called 'helpful only' non-RL model they have floating around internally is. Probably pretty dishonest.

Re: Scriptc by Vercel: TypeScript-to-Native compiler, no JavaScript engine in binary

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Post by [deleted] »

pjmlp wrote: post #114
reactordev wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful using the term “most” when you mean “the ones I know of”. You would be surprised how much Angular is out there.

Name one that gives 100% parity to React in their SDK to write extensions. Not works in some of the cases and you have to implement fetch calls yourself, or some iframe boilerplate and JS glue, everything they expose in React is fully available in Angular, including field extensions, inline previews, sidebar extensions, the whole lot.

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