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Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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>I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time? Wasn't my darling candidate. Mostly because I can read research papers and understand that drinking raw milk and avoiding vaccines doesn't make me healthier.

FWIW raw milk is actually OK. Drank it “directly” from the cows, never got sick from it. *directly = cow milked into a cup.

There were a few times when I didn’t look as I crossed the road. It was fine.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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I don't know who are these foreigners you speak of. I'm looking forward to eating some of the best steaks in the US. The beef in Switzerland is mediocre at best.

> I'm looking forward to eating some of the best steaks in the US. Some of the ~150,000 metric tonnes of beef recently imported from Australia?

After tariffing all the meat exporting nations, the US steak will be the greatest steak in American.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Most foreigners I know are incredibly skeptical or opposed to the idea of consuming meat while in America, as it has a pretty bad global reputation for not being good quality and/or safe. I’m sure fans of BBQ will argue this, but I’d say the average person who is travelling just for BBQ is not really a standard foreigner. I’ve even had co-workers visit from Ireland and Germany who only trust McDonald’s while they vis…

I don't know who are these foreigners you speak of. I'm looking forward to eating some of the best steaks in the US. The beef in Switzerland is mediocre at best.

I've had both and American beef is mediocre compared to Australian or NZ beef (which is usually grass fed).

If you want BBQ, go to the US. Else for just a normal steak, just source good ANZ beef and pay for it. Cheaper Indian beef (mostly buffalo - you can get cow meat but that's mostly tougher) can also be mostly grass-fed but it's harder to source.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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A guy gets a worm in his brain, somehow becomes secretary of health, loosens all the rules so the rest of us have a higher chance of getting a brain worm. This is comic book villain kind of stuff. Can we start a serious discussion about whether we might be living in a simulation with a troll teenager at the controls?

Reminiscent of the toxoplasmosis life cycle.

Instead of making mice seek out cats, this one encourages poor public health policies in people.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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>I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time? Wasn't my darling candidate. Mostly because I can read research papers and understand that drinking raw milk and avoiding vaccines doesn't make me healthier.

FWIW raw milk is actually OK. Drank it “directly” from the cows, never got sick from it. *directly = cow milked into a cup.

"The objective of this review is to provide an integrated historical account of the complex, often convoluted events impacting milk hygiene and its resultant effect on infant mortality from 1875 to 1925. Heat pasteurization of cow's milk is necessary for rendering this important nutrient source safe for humans-particularly infants. Developed by Louis Pasteur in 1864, pasteurization evolved from the commercially important parboiling of wine and beer when the Industrial Revolution was effecting rapid societal change in Western societies. In European and American societies of the early and mid-19th century, infant mortality rates were 30- to 60-fold higher than the current rates of five or six deaths per 1,000 live births per year."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30234385/

Not every pre-pasteurization child died, but far more died than post-pasteurization.

Raw milk is just a bad idea at anything beyond incredibly tiny tightly controlled scale. Sure, you got lucky. It's still not a good way to feed a society.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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Most foreigners I know are incredibly skeptical or opposed to the idea of consuming meat while in America, as it has a pretty bad global reputation for not being good quality and/or safe. I’m sure fans of BBQ will argue this, but I’d say the average person who is travelling just for BBQ is not really a standard foreigner. I’ve even had co-workers visit from Ireland and Germany who only trust McDonald’s while they vis…

And yet Americans are the victim of food-borne illnesses at no greater rate than Europeans. I wonder how much of that is farm lobbies trying to keep out imports. US growers do the same thing when the don't want to compete with South American imports.

Animal welfare is a big thing in some Euro countries. Which let's face it nobody in the US or Argentina cares about.

And then there are concerns about human rights, rain forests, genociding Amazonian tribes, corruption and dictators. Now I will admit it is all hypocritical everyone of us happily buys stuff from AliExpress but that is the condition of man.

Re: Taylor Farms Called White House to Try to Delay Cyclospora Recall

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>I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time? Wasn't my darling candidate. Mostly because I can read research papers and understand that drinking raw milk and avoiding vaccines doesn't make me healthier.

FWIW raw milk is actually OK. Drank it “directly” from the cows, never got sick from it. *directly = cow milked into a cup.

Raw milk _can_ be kind of okay under very specific circumstances. (But knowing the state american farms tend to be in regarding hygiene and controls, it's a ridiculous gamble.)

1) extremely closely controlled cow health

2) minimal storage time

3) minimized chances of cross contamination/reasonably clean cows 4) healthy immune system to minimize infection chances

If even one of those isn't there, it's basically sickness in a cup. Why take a risk if there's no benefit?

In germany, there's the concept of "Vorzugsmilch", which is raw milk from specifically controlled farms with super tight regulations with regular and intense controls and testing of milk, e.g. monthly testing of every individual cow's milk.

But even then, it's an - albeit small - risk without benefit, with the exception of raw-milk cheese, which can't be made in any other way. I just don't get it, practically none of the claims of the raw-milk-gurus could be proven under controlled circumstances. Why needlessly take risks?

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