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EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by segfaultex »

Tinned_Tuna wrote: post #108
tancop wrote: post #105

this is the wrong approach. they should enforce a choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms (or even better allow third party feeds), make them transparent with what kind of data they use to personalize and strictly ban any kind of political bias. things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should h…

One thing that's potentially different, at least for Facebook, is the network effect. It only takes a few friends to start using Facebook for event planning for people to start missing events or worrying about missing out. That extra pressure cuts against individual choice. Instagram is different, but you can see something similar happen on platforms with a chat feature. If people start to gravitate towards a singula…

The overwhelming majority of local businesses around me don't have websites, just a FB page. If you want to look at upcoming events, specials, restaurant menus, etc. you either have to hope FB doesn't throw up the "you need an acct to see this page" blocker, or sign up.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by d4ng »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #73
d4ng wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tax ad revenue. Increase advertising prices. Advertisers pay more to sell their wares. Consumers pay more to consume their wares.

Vendors won’t see RoI on their ad spend and will stop buying. Simples.

Vendors now cannot get X pounds with Y pounds advertising outlay to make Z pounds per unit of wares. To continue making Z money per unit of wares, with previous S pounds price charged to consumers per unit, add significantly more than reduction in Y advertising per unit to S to offset reduced "brand" "awareness".

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by glenstein »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Full title: "Commission preliminarily finds the addictive design of Instagram and Facebook in breach of the Digital Services Act" Edit: for some reason, the URL has been changed. The page I tried to post is here: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_...

For me right now it's not going to any article, but a kind of general landing page for the Eureopean Commission's "Press Corner" which lists a bunch of articles:

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/home/en

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by criddell »

aurareturn wrote: post #85
alpineman wrote: post #38

Just ban the discovery feed. Search only.

Agreed. HN feed is also addictive. EU should ban HN feed and only allow searching for new posts. Quite honestly, I've been addicted to using my air fryer for cooking nowadays. The design is too good and convenient and the food comes out too tasty. I think EU should focus on making them less addictive.

That's hilarious. Are you accusing dang et al of unscrupulously designing HN to maximize time spent on the site?

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

d4ng wrote: post #112
YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vendors won’t see RoI on their ad spend and will stop buying. Simples.

Vendors now cannot get X pounds with Y pounds advertising outlay to make Z pounds per unit of wares. To continue making Z money per unit of wares, with previous S pounds price charged to consumers per unit, add significantly more than reduction in Y advertising per unit to S to offset reduced "brand" "awareness".

Brand awareness is a Red Queen’s race. Attention is a finite resource, and ad spend mainly exists to counteract the spend of your competitors.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by el1s7 »

tancop wrote: post #105

this is the wrong approach. they should enforce a choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms (or even better allow third party feeds), make them transparent with what kind of data they use to personalize and strictly ban any kind of political bias. things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should h…

The choice already exist: don't use social media like Instagram and TikTok. Yet everyone keep choosing it despite being addictive.

So you can't really trust people, even less teenagers, to make a disciplined choice of not using an addictive algorithm.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by d4ng »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #116
d4ng wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vendors now cannot get X pounds with Y pounds advertising outlay to make Z pounds per unit of wares. To continue making Z money per unit of wares, with previous S pounds price charged to consumers per unit, add significantly more than reduction in Y advertising per unit to S to offset reduced "brand" "awareness".

Brand awareness is a Red Queen’s race. Attention is a finite resource, and ad spend mainly exists to counteract the spend of your competitors.

No one buying shit anymore. People still buying shit elsewhere. GDP and tax revenues fall relative to others. Deflationary aspects. Market leaders complain through lobbying groups. Repeal. Back to square one.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by psychoslave »

tancop wrote: post #105

this is the wrong approach. they should enforce a choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms (or even better allow third party feeds), make them transparent with what kind of data they use to personalize and strictly ban any kind of political bias. things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should h…

> strictly ban any kind of political bias.

Any attempt to ban political bias will reveal huge political bias.

Now I don’t mean all political biases are equal, or that all biases are absolutely wrong. Of course my biases are better™. But this days it looks like even stating that genocides are bad™ is not as consensual as it used to be in Europe over the last few decades, so what do I know.

Re: EU Commission: addictive design Instagram and Facebook in breach of the DSA

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Post by alightsoul »

tancop wrote: post #105

this is the wrong approach. they should enforce a choice between addictive and "ethical" algorithms (or even better allow third party feeds), make them transparent with what kind of data they use to personalize and strictly ban any kind of political bias. things like bluesky fyp should always stay legal and not in a gray area. even if someone comes up with a design thats more addictive than hard drugs people should h…

The choice already exists: migrate to bluesky, pinksky, mastodon, pixelfed. Create repost bots to start the network effect with content from Instagram. Clearly label the repost bots and choose accounts that aren't reposted yet.
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