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Leanstral 1.5

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Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by defrost »

nok22kon wrote: post #108
embedding-shape wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides the whole AI thing, what exact "tech capability" is missing in EU or Europe today? Most things been preferable to get from the US as workers are generally abused there for profits, so been cheaper, but capability still exists in Europe and is ramping up. Do you have any specific examples or you're just on the typical anti-EU HN tirade so many of you seem to fall into as soon as EU is even slightly related?

what is the EU equivalent to AWS/GCP/Azure? or do you think EU doesnt really need that, it can just rent from the americans what is the EU frontier AI model? what is the EU frontier chip fabs?

> what is the EU frontier chip fabs?

Where are the US or Chinese equivalents or betters of ASML of the Netherlands?

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

nok22kon wrote: post #97
embedding-shape wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously untrue, any place on earth you get rewarded for being better at your job, either directly by being promoted or after asking/getting a higher salary, or indirectly by being able to change jobs by outright being better. This is true in most sectors, especially in software where it's really easy to switch jobs if you have the slightest amount of brain power. Where are all these misconceptions come from? And ho…

so where are all the EU global software/tech companies? why is EU so reliant on US software? why do the best EU software developers move to US?

Because the US has vastly larger capital markets, and they suck in money globally such that there's more funding for new, high risk reward software.

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

throw1234567891 wrote: post #72
puppymaster wrote: post #61

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I laughed and cried at this comment. It's so uncannily EU. Just spent 18 months landing an EU enterprise contract. Signed today and sent it back and got an automated message 'sorry will be on vacation til end of July...' This is the fourth vacation emails I got since corresponding with this contact window for the past 1 year.

Yes, we have more vacation in the EU than people in the US.

Eh, Europe has some great service cultures. (There was a recent comment citing an article contrasting its furniture and tech industries I’m having trouble finding.)

European tech’s service culture is just distinctly and notoriously terrible, even within Europe.

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

helloplanets wrote: post #55

Tangential, but I'm pretty sad about EU having absolutely nothing in the actual SotA LLM market. Especially given the recent events of US completely restricting the actual SotA models. Has this been just pure lack of funding and infra?

How much does supporting multiple languages as first-class citizens (versus adding a translation layer) cost a model?

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by nok22kon »

defrost wrote: post #111
nok22kon wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is the EU equivalent to AWS/GCP/Azure? or do you think EU doesnt really need that, it can just rent from the americans what is the EU frontier AI model? what is the EU frontier chip fabs?

> what is the EU frontier chip fabs? Where are the US or Chinese equivalents or betters of ASML of the Netherlands?

ASML had $30 bil revenue in 2025

it's main client, TSMC had 4x, $120 bil revenue in 2024

the Chinese equivalents are 5 years away

sounds like VW from 10 years ago - "Chinese can't make quality cars"

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by pbkompasz »

vlian2088 wrote: post #57
helloplanets wrote: post #55

Tangential, but I'm pretty sad about EU having absolutely nothing in the actual SotA LLM market. Especially given the recent events of US completely restricting the actual SotA models. Has this been just pure lack of funding and infra?

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They already stole all the data on the internet to train their models. These models haven't improved significantly in some time and remember that they lose money on every query. Why should anyone outside does companies get involved now, right before the whole show is about to collapse?

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

Epa095 wrote: post #68
helloplanets wrote: post #55

Tangential, but I'm pretty sad about EU having absolutely nothing in the actual SotA LLM market. Especially given the recent events of US completely restricting the actual SotA models. Has this been just pure lack of funding and infra?

Software in general, AI as well, is a rich get richer market. The big American companies can afford to (and very much do) scoop up European talents and upcoming European companies. And if they don't want to buy them, they can undercut them to bankruptcy. We live in a colony economy, with human capital as the raw produce, and it all gets funneled to the USA. The only way to avoid this is to stop playing the game as it…

Europeans should thank Trump for that. Digital sovereignty became a major theme mostly because his hollow head could not comprehend the previous strategy.

I would say it is mostly a money problem rooted in the culture. VC funding is not nearly as common in Europe. Not that many people are willing to risk serious money the way US corporations do, or even ordinary Americans through the stock market. Banks will never lend you money for this.

That itself makes it really easy to poach great engineers. You can earn very good money in Europe, but usually not the best money.

If the EU wanted to pour billions into AI labs, national governments would immediately start fighting over which country should host them. These petty disputes, coming from hundreds of years of Europeans killing each other, are one of the main things holding them back.

I believe that in the end, the strategy will be to watch what worked and what did not work for the Americans, then simply copy it. But Europe was never really cut off from crucial technology before, so I'm curious if that will have any interesting solution.

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by lexoj »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #3

Real talk, does anyone use anything from Mistral because it performs the best, by whatever secular metric of your choosing? Or is it only used "because EU"? Just focus on answering the question. I wonder if anyone has observed it perform better on any objective metric in any rigorous setting.

I used them because they had the fastest chat response. (Dont think that’s the case anymore, and they introduced some UI blocking feature on load which is irritating, but still use it mainly due to habit)

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by anthonypasq »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #114
helloplanets wrote: post #55

Tangential, but I'm pretty sad about EU having absolutely nothing in the actual SotA LLM market. Especially given the recent events of US completely restricting the actual SotA models. Has this been just pure lack of funding and infra?

How much does supporting multiple languages as first-class citizens (versus adding a translation layer) cost a model?

absolutely nothing id imagine? you think all the chinese are using their models in english?

Re: Leanstral 1.5

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Post by SimonMistral »

Grimblewald wrote: post #33

Got curious, sign up, add money to account, try to use. Can't, it's a labs model. Fine, let's enable labs. Can't, unspecified error. Fine, lets contact customer support as instructed, can't no customer support, just a half-assed FAQ, that seems vibe-coded and searched poorly, totally irrelevant answers coming up for all queries tried. Then it hit me: If AI makes good customer support, then why does no AI company use…

Fixed, sorry for that!
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