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Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by danilocampos » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 4:57 PM UTC

meaty wrote: post #101

LaGrange wrote: post #79

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Last time I've disassembled a Lenovo laptop it still had the entire thin aluminum shield thingie inside, y'know. And desktops are made of metal instead of wood and rich corinthian leather for (a bunch of) reason(s). On the other hand, my experiences with Lenovo T-series were mostly of the "flimsy pieces of crap that only look solid" category (but maybe I was just less than lucky). Aggregated studies of customer satis…

I think your eyes must have crap in them if you think a T-series is flimsy. The big chunk of titanium in the middle makes it rock solid: http://appel.hu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rollcage.jpg Lenovo's relatively low score is because they shift out lots of low quality consumer grade laptops (g-series) which are to be honest, just junk but earn them a lot of money. They don't even assemble them themselves. If you…

> I think your eyes must have crap in them

Stop acting like a child.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by Torgo » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 4:57 PM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #68

meaty wrote: post #51

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Ahh yes the unibody which is basically a fucking big short circuit, hence why mine caught fire. It's engineering, but it's not SOUND ENGINEERING. I stand by my expensive trinket comment. Buy a Lenovo T-series and you'll understand.

You're essentially saying that any computer with a metal case, or extensive metal shielding inside could suffer the same problem. HP makes a number of metal laptops, for instance, in an effort to make them more recyclable, the same reasoning behind Apple's materials decision. Why would I buy a Lenovo T-series? It looks virtually indistinguishable from any laptop made in the late 1990s and still has that absurd red jo…

I own a new W530, and I can confirm the trackpad still stinks.

After my Macbook Pro died, I switched to Lenovo because how much work and fraught with difficulty keeping Linux running on the MBP was. Installs have been easier, but now I've found I've made a whole host of different sacrifices, mainly the crappy feeling you mentioned. They are not as solid as my good old pre-unibody MBP.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by manish_gill » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 4:58 PM UTC

piyush_soni wrote: post #78

lazerwalker wrote: post #37

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Can you substantiate this claim at all? I'd love to hear how Apple is trying to extort money from coffee shops and grocery stores.

Sure! Though I'd love if people would ask this question before giving negative votes. Anyway, before you read these, just try to be a bit impartial towards any side, which is generally difficult for Apple fans. (Tell me very honestly, if you think the logo of this small coffee shop in Germany has really any similarity with Apple's logo, except the fact that both of them are derived from the fruit apple!) http://www.m…

Oh wow. This is amazing. Is this what it has all come to? Your multi-billion dollar company is gonna sue some small time grocery store in Poland claiming to 'use their reputation?'

Yeah, will be discouraging anyone I know from buying their products (not that I liked them to begin with)

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by dpark » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 4:58 PM UTC

meaty wrote: post #87

astrodust wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're essentially saying that any computer with a metal case, or extensive metal shielding inside could suffer the same problem. HP makes a number of metal laptops, for instance, in an effort to make them more recyclable, the same reasoning behind Apple's materials decision. Why would I buy a Lenovo T-series? It looks virtually indistinguishable from any laptop made in the late 1990s and still has that absurd red jo…

No I'm not. I'm saying that there is no acceptable insulation in the device. The chassis for example uses air gap between the board and the base for insulation. Even condensation can bridge it, which is the theory why mine exploded. Regarding appearance, and? Does that really matter? Why you pick a ThinkPad: http://appel.hu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rollcage.jpg That and you can throw the damn thing across the…

> The chassis for example uses air gap between the board and the base for insulation. Even condensation can bridge it, which is the theory why mine exploded.

What environment are you using your laptop in that's allowing condensation to form inside the device? Electronics are typically not rated for use in condensing environments at all.

Air gaps as insulators are pretty typical in electronics. That's how it works in every desktop machine I've ever used. And it looks like the air gap inside the MBP is plenty large, and even if it weren't, the attached components would be making contact with the case, not the board itself.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Unibody+M...

I think the "condensation inside the case" theory is incorrect. I don't know if that's your own theory or if someone working for Apple told you that, but I don't see that as feasible. You'd need a lot of liquid inside the case for a short to involve the case. And frankly, if you've got any liquid inside your laptop, the fact that the case is metal is irrelevant.

> Regarding appearance, and? Does that really matter?

Of course not. No one cares about the way their $1300 device looks any more. As a society, we moved past caring about appearances in 1992.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by dusing » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 4:59 PM UTC

jscheel wrote: post #86

ssmoot wrote: post #81

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Just pointing out that for anyone I've ever met, the antennagate was just media sites drumming up page-views. I never had an issue, and despite everyone at my office having iPhone4s and 4Ss, the only time any of us were ever able to affect antenna-strength was having a wet hand, and then purposefully applying a lot of pressure to attempt to attenuate the case. It could be the signal-strength display "fix" was hiding…

I could consistently re-create antennagate on my iphone 4 every single time I "held it wrong." I was forced to completely change the way I help my phone, permanently.

You could have returned the phone, you were not forced to do anything.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by gnaffle » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 4:59 PM UTC

meaty wrote: post #24

I wouldn't buy another Apple product either. Between a MacBook Pro which caught fire, an AirPort which melted, an iMac which the backlight went on and a MacBook which had to go back 4 times (!) due to logic board problems, it scares the shit out of me parting with that sort of cash and actually depending on it. The muppets at the "genius bar" (retard shelf as we call it now) aren't exactly helpful and usher you away…

They are soundly engineered, but quality control leaves something to be desired. If you don't think the engineering is applied past appearance, open one up and see for yourself.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by intelliot » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 5:00 PM UTC

While I totally agree that Apple is handling this situation poorly, I'm even more worried about the lack of competition. Which of Apple's competitors offers better service? I can't think of one. Lenovo, HP, Dell? While I'd love Apple to be more generous, in a similar situation, in my experience, you're more likely to get left out to dry with any of their competitors.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by gfodor » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 5:02 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #75

Apple haters have really come out of the woodwork today. The fact of the matter is that every first-gen product has had and will have issues regardless of the manufacturer. Apple just gets a lot of flak because they manufacture some of the best products out there and are very vocal about it. So the moment they make a slip, they get stoned by haters who were waiting in ambush. I, too, have had some bad experiences wit…

The post has nothing to do with the fact that the screen was broken. Read it again.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by recoiledsnake » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 5:03 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #103

yardie wrote: post #82

> As a loyal customer of apple for almost 11 years (iMac G4) my loyalty has been shaken. I really hate bloggers that do shit like this. Apple isn't an airline so bringing up your Apple mileage isn't helping. Really, 11 years and this one problem shakes your loyalty? Not their DRM, custom screws, custom cables, EOLing still powerful Macbooks, making free services paid (iTools), or the $1000 price bump when they introd…

The goal is to show you don't already have a problem with the company in question. So, the issue must be really annoying.

True, and if the blogger doesn't have that disclaimer, he will be dismissed as an Apple hater making a big fuss about nothing. The funny thing is that even with that disclaimer, some are still accusing him of nitpicking on Apple for page hits.

Re: Apple - Think Twice

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Post by meaty » Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 5:03 PM UTC

michael_miller wrote: post #73

I can't help but think that the majority of comments here are the loud minority. Apple's products have had faults, I'll be the first to admit. But do we really think that even 5% of Apple's millions of customers are having issues with their purchases? If that were the case, we'd see class action lawsuits against the company, the NYTimes/WSJ covering Apple's shoddy manufacturing processes, and Apple's reputation takin…

Seeing as you're picking my comments out, I'm rather passionate when it comes to this as I really don't want other people to go through the excruciating pain both mentally and financially that I have. Nor do I want people to be left totally in the mire by something which was marketed to me as a superior product.

Life is about sharing experiences and these are valid experiences, albeit bad ones.

To shy away from a warning and experience is illogical.