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My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by drudolph914 »

abbefaria27 wrote: post #105

I don’t understand why the Steam Machine is getting so much hate. The form factor is amazing and a huge part of the value proposition. It’s slightly bigger than a box of Kleenex and you can put it next to the TV, on your desk, etc. I’m tempted to get one just to free up the floor space used by my ATX case. The graphics capability seems good enough, most people can live without 4k gaming.

I don't think the majority of ppl are giving it hate tbh - I think it's just a HN thing. everyone I know that is into gaming is excited about it. I would chalk it up to consumer misunderstanding around the pricing, but I actually think most consumers that are interested in buying a steam HW product are fully in the know why there's a chip shortage. I am in the group that is waiting for the price to drop, but I am excited to get mine!

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by akimbostrawman »

awakeasleep wrote: post #93
shepherdjerred wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a gaming PC and a steam deck. My goal was to use my steam deck as a steam link (their old streaming hardware) w/ a Xbox controller Both are connected via Ethernet and actually the video quality was very very good, and input lag was completely fine. Unfortunately there were so many issues. I want a console like experience where I can just decide that i want to pick up a controller and play. With this setup I ha…

Along with the complexity you mention, a real dealbreaker for me is controller support for couch co-op/multiplayer. It's the biggest difference and flaw between steam devices and traditional consoles. Even hugely popular multiplayer titles like Overcooked either don't work, or require hours of research and configuration.

>require hours of research and configuration

more like couple seconds on protondb https://www.protondb.com/app/448510

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by qwerpy »

bbrks wrote: post #39

If you already have Ethernet at both ends I cannot recommend enough game streaming. With the right setup it is almost identical to having my computer plugged in physically, and I am very sensitive to input latency. I can get 4K HDR 120Hz running over gigabit Ethernet without visually sacrificing too much on bitrate, but you can squeeze more bitrate at lower fps or 1440p (obviously) if that is your preference. You can…

I tried using the official steam client on my TV (running some google/android TV OS) which was hard-wired in (100 Mbps) which should be sufficient for 1080p/60 if not 4K/60 but there is some android TV bug that adds an unacceptable audio lag. Video quality was fine. (https://steamcommunity.com/app/353380/discussions/0/62441675...)

Seems like a waste to use a steam deck for this when the TV hardware seems more than powerful enough but if it works it works, and my steam deck is gathering dust anyway. Thanks for the idea.

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by Lammy »

c-hendricks wrote: post #67
bbrks wrote: post #39

If you already have Ethernet at both ends I cannot recommend enough game streaming. With the right setup it is almost identical to having my computer plugged in physically, and I am very sensitive to input latency. I can get 4K HDR 120Hz running over gigabit Ethernet without visually sacrificing too much on bitrate, but you can squeeze more bitrate at lower fps or 1440p (obviously) if that is your preference. You can…

Steam Remote Play sadly breaks down if anything involving Admin comes up. Task manager, admin prompt, etc. Sunshine / moonlight can work but you need to run them as admin. Sunshine / moonshine also have problems with the full DualSense features, you need to be wired, have VirtualHere set up, and even then it might not all work with all clients. So yes both can work, but both have downsides that can be alleviated with…

I just disable UAC. Yada yada bad practice yeah I know. I'm sick of constant slight annoyance due to hypothetical threat. If I get pwned I get pwned; hasn't happened yet lol

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by ladberg »

nottorp wrote: post #107
bbrks wrote: post #39

If you already have Ethernet at both ends I cannot recommend enough game streaming. With the right setup it is almost identical to having my computer plugged in physically, and I am very sensitive to input latency. I can get 4K HDR 120Hz running over gigabit Ethernet without visually sacrificing too much on bitrate, but you can squeeze more bitrate at lower fps or 1440p (obviously) if that is your preference. You can…

I think you can run Moonlight or Sunshine (i forgot which is which end) even directly on some "smart" TVs lately. Second hand info though, I have a friend who swears by those but he didn't give me the details.

I run Moonlight directly on my Apple TV and it's great! Apple TV is so wildly better than any smart TV on the market that I'll always have it be the brains of any TV I own for the foreseeable future anyway.

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by staindk »

qwerpy wrote: post #113
bbrks wrote: post #39

If you already have Ethernet at both ends I cannot recommend enough game streaming. With the right setup it is almost identical to having my computer plugged in physically, and I am very sensitive to input latency. I can get 4K HDR 120Hz running over gigabit Ethernet without visually sacrificing too much on bitrate, but you can squeeze more bitrate at lower fps or 1440p (obviously) if that is your preference. You can…

I tried using the official steam client on my TV (running some google/android TV OS) which was hard-wired in (100 Mbps) which should be sufficient for 1080p/60 if not 4K/60 but there is some android TV bug that adds an unacceptable audio lag. Video quality was fine. ( https://steamcommunity.com/app/353380/discussions/0/62441675... ) Seems like a waste to use a steam deck for this when the TV hardware seems more than…

My TV was cheap so I didn't expect much. Steam link really struggles on it - thankfully I still have the old Steam Link hardware and it works alright. Locked to 1080p though.

Refused to spend more on a TV because I feel you don't get much more processing power for an increase in price. All smart TVs I've interacted with in the last 5 years have been much slower than I would consider acceptable.

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by [deleted] »

nullify88 wrote: post #13
saltmate wrote: post #9

Does anyone have a proper (and not overly expensive) solution for also moving input devices somewhere else? My main device is not in the same room as my TV.

I think the options are dependent on your setup. For example if you have a smart TV running Android, you could run https://www.virtualhere.com/usb_client_software on it to connect a dongle or controller attached to the TV through to your main device. I do this with my Nvidia Shield and Xbox One Controller.

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Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by darth_aardvark »

awakeasleep wrote: post #93
shepherdjerred wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a gaming PC and a steam deck. My goal was to use my steam deck as a steam link (their old streaming hardware) w/ a Xbox controller Both are connected via Ethernet and actually the video quality was very very good, and input lag was completely fine. Unfortunately there were so many issues. I want a console like experience where I can just decide that i want to pick up a controller and play. With this setup I ha…

Along with the complexity you mention, a real dealbreaker for me is controller support for couch co-op/multiplayer. It's the biggest difference and flaw between steam devices and traditional consoles. Even hugely popular multiplayer titles like Overcooked either don't work, or require hours of research and configuration.

Xbox controller support on the Steam Deck has worked seamlessly for me with 0 extra setup, I'm not sure what you're talking about?

Streaming has been ok, but I've had the same issues as the parent commenter, with the stream dying for whatever reason every hour or so.

Re: My Steam Machine is a 50ft HDMI cable

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Post by hmry »

picofarad wrote: post #91
scotchmi_st wrote: post #5

One of the better tech investments I’ve made is in a 20 metre Thunderbolt cable from Corning. It’s surprisingly useful- if you have a monitor that takes TB input then your computer can be stored in a small closet next to your router/switch, where you can’t hear it. Alternatively if you just need a quick 10Gb Ethernet link between two computers with USB4 or TB3/4 that it would be complicated to have next to each other…

You didnt need the corning one, though, that's an electrically isolated cable, maybe thunderbolt can't go far unless it is media translated to optical, but I am unsure.

10+ gigabit serial connections (Thunderbolt, USB 3.2/4 DisplayPort 1.4, HDMI 2.1, etc) are limited to 1 or 2 meters on passive copper cables. You need optical for anything longer (or a hot, power-hungry transceiver, like for 10GBaseT ethernet)
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