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The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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> Because physical exams are performed in mobile vans in NHANES, data could not be collected in northern latitudes during the winter Why not?

Probably due to road conditions during the winter season. Imagine asking someone who isn't used to driving on icy roads to drive a large van full of equipment up through the Rockies

They plow the mountain passes in the winter time in at least Montana and Idaho. I'd be very surprised if they don't in Colorado or Utah.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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That's an absurd analogy. Vitamin D is a vitamin that is in large part derived from significant sunlight exposure. Vitamins are essential by definition. Sunlight exposure is highly insufficient by historical standards. This is why supplementation is absolutely necessary in almost everyone who is not a full time outdoor worker. In contrast, the air contains oxygen which is sufficient for most people with normal lung f…

If most people have a significant Vitamin D deficiency, then I agree that my comparison was absurd.

Probably heavily depends on the country/region, but here in Germany it is basically the norm to be Vitamin D deficient. Like, half of the population have a deficiency when there is some sun and basically everyone has a deficiency for months during fall/winter/spring. So I have to laugh when I read "taking vitamin D does nothing unless you’re severely deficient". Yeah like, but that's most people in many countries lmao

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

#113
Probably heavily depends on the country/region, but here in Germany it is basically the norm to be Vitamin D deficient. Like, half of the population have a deficiency when there is some sun and basically everyone has a deficiency for months during fall/winter/spring. So I have to laugh when I read "taking vitamin D does nothing unless you’re severely deficient". Yeah like, but that's most people in many countries lmao

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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That's an absurd analogy. Vitamin D is a vitamin that is in large part derived from significant sunlight exposure. Vitamins are essential by definition. Sunlight exposure is highly insufficient by historical standards. This is why supplementation is absolutely necessary in almost everyone who is not a full time outdoor worker. In contrast, the air contains oxygen which is sufficient for most people with normal lung f…

If most people have a significant Vitamin D deficiency, then I agree that my comparison was absurd.

Without supplementation, yes, most people do have a substantial deficiency. There also exists the sufficiency range which is higher, and the optimality range which is slightly higher still.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Yeah, it's just a holdover, the term "vitamin" originated from "vital amine", and vitamin D doesn't even have an amine group

Well neither does Vitamin C.

It is a cofactor though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Pharmacology

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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Not to mention, northern latitudes get more sun that average in summer, and most northern countries have more reasonable working hours so people actually do go outside.

More hours of sun, but it's less intense.

The sun in northern countries in summer is less intense?

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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I experimented with D3 supplementation up to almost a decade ago. I made some HN comments about it [2018]:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17638508

I ultimately stopped it because it seemed to cause lower back aches. (Pretty sure, bone/muscle not kidney!) Every time I went on the D3, my back would start to hurt. That repeated several times, enough to suspect a pattern.

The cause may be similar to the itchy, tingling teeth.

According to this fascinating paper, Vitamin D can actually trigger the leaching of calcium out of bones, into circulation:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8147670/

After the abstract, find the section heading "Vitamin D mobilizes calcium from calcified bone".

But that is in very high, pharmacological doses. Not your 5000 UI per day.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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More hours of sun, but it's less intense.

The sun in northern countries in summer is less intense?

Yes, because it's lower in the sky so more of the UV in it gets absorbed by the atmosphere before reaching the ground.

For example, in Florida in the summer, the sun is close to directly overhead at noon. In Scandinavia in the summer, the sun is only about halfway up the sky from the horizon at noon.

Re: The worthlessness of Vitamin D is mildly exaggerated

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More hours of sun, but it's less intense.

The sun in northern countries in summer is less intense?

Come to Australia during the summer and watch how quickly you burn outside without sunscreen.
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