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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by throw10920 »

andunie wrote: post #93
raincole wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The final defense is always to change the government (one way or another). When we need to resort to technical mean we have lost.

The opposite is true.

By this you mean that the first line of defense should be to change the government, correct? If so, I'm pretty sure you're right. Technical solutions to social/governmental problems seem like they're making those problems worse due to actively rechanneling energy that could be used for awareness/activism into technical workarounds.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by ETH_start »

firecall wrote: post #82
singingtoday wrote: post #72

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The entire point is to gain control over internet traffic. Your suggestion doesn't work because it requires people to implement it themselves and since you can't control all people, you can't control how they're going to implement it. The title "for the children" is tongue-in-cheek. It's not serious.

> The entire point is to gain control over internet traffic. I see many arguments claiming it's about mass surveillance and an invasion of privacy and so on. We already have mass surveillance, so I don't really buy into those arguments. I think it's worth considering that it is actually about control. Or more precisely, that it's about dissuading citizens from using social media in the first place. The damage done to…

Censoring the internet is about as anti-democratic a policy that can be implemented.

I remember reading someone argue that anytime you see a claim that we need to do something to protect democracy just replace the word democracy with bureaucracy and then the statement makes sense.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Magnusmaster »

ibarrajo wrote: post #90
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

You can already do this, it’s called reticulum. Essentially it’s encrypted internet/networking over any type of network including LoRa. Issue is the size of the community and linking up to actually serve internet or surface public services there.

I expect the government will require ISPs to only allow connection from approved operating systems that only allow installation of approved apps so we can't do this. Not in the short term, but eventually.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Gigachad »

signatoremo wrote: post #106
Gigachad wrote: post #67

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Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

You mean TikTok? Kids aren't on FB

They are on Instagram which is a Meta product.

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Post by econ »

incompatible wrote: post #96
econ wrote: post #45

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Create a government from scratch. Version control the laws. Compare the laws with all other countries. Hoard data. Write code to replace government employees and to make laws easy to implement. (If done well consider selling a product or service) Make everything modular so that the establishment can steal it. Get people involved. Doesn't matter if you need to write a sim and convince them it is a game. Pretend the wh…

There are already N governments, why would making government N+1 improve anything.

Imagine we had a versioned database with all the laws from all countries where one could compare them side by side. We could begin to understand the mood or spirit of each effort.

Law makers wouldn't need to pretend they are doing something unique.

You might do the same with all infrastructure projects. They can't all be cheap. Half should more expensive than average. It should be fascinating to see where the extra money is going.

Some goes towards corruption, some into incompetence but there should also be plenty of praise worthy efforts.

It seems we have the tools to do such things now without breaking the bank.

Think of the law as a truly outdated code base. Why would you do a rewrite you ask? Because we've learned a thing or two along the way?

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by freeopinion »

asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

Or... use a protocol that hides packets in Minecraft traffic with out-of-band control through steganographic Discord audio.

It's really slow, but its private.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by teekert »

asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

100% with you, I don't understand that people feel they have privacy in their house but not on the internet. Those people just don't understand how humans work and how we get better as a species.

I will forever keep trying to communicate without anyone else being able to read it. You can't ban my ability to use math to encrypt things. Still, the thought police keeps popping up. They can drag me to jail. I am a good person, a father, but my thoughts are my own. (just kidding, I'll give up all my s* when they actually drag me away from my family, but maybe I'll let them drag me for some meters for the show, to make a point, and hope people are filming it.)

There are things like Ham radio and meshtastic (uses lora). It's all slow of course (atm).

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Post by razakel »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #61
post-it wrote: post #58

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Only if you're fine with disenfranchising voters. In which case, securing elections is the easiest thing in the world: I vote and nobody else does. It's securing elections while not disenfranchising voters that's the hard part.

> Only if you're fine with disenfranchising voters I don't love disenfranchising voters but I think it's probably better than allowing elections to be vulnerable to foreign tampering, don't you think?

The foreign tampering wasn't at the ballot box.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by wasdly »

Gigachad wrote: post #74
Bender wrote: post #69

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They need to be informed there are options that do not involve giving their information and their children's information to shady vendors.

Are there? Because we have had the last 15 years to see it isn’t working. Theres also the issue of peer pressure, it’s incredibly hard for one parent to say no to social media when every other kid has it and all the parties are arranged on Facebook. Right now telling your child they can’t have social media is crippling their ability to have a normal social life. Banning it outright means parents have a strong foundat…

> and all the parties are arranged on Facebook

Bro… it’s joever for you

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