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Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Conscious sedation, which is not the same thing as general anesthesia, is often used for endoscopy: https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/...

And sometimes it doesn't work. Patients are then given the option of going ahead without sedation, or rescheduling for general anaesthesia.

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Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Which is why some doctors/scientist explained --and it's been at least tested but I don't know if they managed to get enough data to confirm-- that in ambulances there should always be ice and a device to put all around the head, to keep the head cool with the ice.

Not only for survival but to lower the risk of permanent brain damage after incidents.

It's nothing new and I wonder when it's going to be taken more seriously as an emergency response as obviously there is something going on here.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conscious sedation, which is not the same thing as general anesthesia, is often used for endoscopy: https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/...

And sometimes it doesn't work. Patients are then given the option of going ahead without sedation, or rescheduling for general anaesthesia.

But even "general anesthesia" still has differing categories.

Surgery uses propofol plus a gas anesthesia for "general anesthesia", but it is considered "general anesthesia" even if only propofol is used.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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"Survival" here being, of course, not a black-and-white thing: > Outcome and Follow-Up > On day 59, the boy was discharged to inpatient neurorehabilitation. At 6-month follow-up, he was giving short commands, standing without support, riding a tricycle, eating soft foods, and relearning simple tasks. Peripheral neuromuscular weakness continued to improve.

Yes, I already feared that when I read "the child recovered" instead of "the child fully recovered" in the summary.

The dreaded "Patient survived" comes to mind, that is so nice in crime-stats and hospital-stats nowadays, but does not really communicate what "ten years writhing in agony barely held in check with massive opioid doses until death" or some vegetable limbo is actually for the individual.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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While I don't know, I suspect the boy's parents do not share your views. He is able to ride a tricycle and improving.

Neither of us knows. That's the difficult bit in topics like these. None of us is psychic and can tell what'll happen next. Will he be happy and healthy? Or will he have anger issues, meltdowns or exhibit destructive behavior to himself and surrounding loved ones due to neurological damage? We always hope for the best. I hope the boy recovers well. But there are no guarantees in life.

>Or will he have anger issues, meltdowns or exhibit destructive behavior to himself and surrounding loved ones due to neurological damage?

It's entirely possible for all of the above to occur even without any neurological damage. It wouldn't even be uncommon enough to point to neurological damage as an unambiguous cause.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Could you elaborate on specific effects?

Lots of replies to this comment so i won't reply to everyone. brain fogs, migraines/headaches, memory problems. sudden attitude changes, lifestyle changes. divorces from a partner suddenly hating everything about the other partner. fatigue, mental fatigue. Just to name a few. Not everyone i know has the same issues, some are worse then others. If its so rare i don't see how everyone in my small circle all got permane…

Thank you, some of the effects I felt, and I have even worse stuff, and even though I had been anesthetized multiple times in my life (also naturally with a concussion), but how could I prove cause and effect? There is no second me who did not go through the same procedures to compare myself.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of us knows. That's the difficult bit in topics like these. None of us is psychic and can tell what'll happen next. Will he be happy and healthy? Or will he have anger issues, meltdowns or exhibit destructive behavior to himself and surrounding loved ones due to neurological damage? We always hope for the best. I hope the boy recovers well. But there are no guarantees in life.

>Or will he have anger issues, meltdowns or exhibit destructive behavior to himself and surrounding loved ones due to neurological damage? It's entirely possible for all of the above to occur even without any neurological damage. It wouldn't even be uncommon enough to point to neurological damage as an unambiguous cause.

That's all besides the point.

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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Something similar happened recently in Norway. A tourist was found severely cold in the mountains, in a storm where extracting him took hours. After a while hypothermia got to him, his heart stopped, and only 8 hours later they got it starting again, was technically dead for 20 hours. In this case, it looks to have gone well with the person afterwards. They say you're not dead until you're warm and dead. News article…

Wonder at which point we'll start adding PLB / airtags to clothing themselves. Decent jacket already cost way more than electronics. Satellite communications approaching cost of 0. If you venturing somewhere risky - kinda makes sense to have PLB built in.

Multipurpose too for the washer/dryer settings

Re: Ice water drowning survival of young patient (2025)

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I feel you, I also unfortunately have experiences with that. It has profoundly changed my view on living, especially how I want to be treated when someday I'm heavily sick. A family member in a coma takes a heavy toll on you, emotionally and financially. They are simultaneously there and not there. If they did not write down how they want to be treated you can never make a decision where you are sure what's right, or…

> For me, the decision is clear: when I'm not able to make my own decisions turn everything off and let me die. And what if you might be able to make decisions again tomorrow. Or the day after? Or in two weeks time.. ? These things are never all that 'clear'.

Each person should be able to make their own decisions. You seem to wish to be preserved on the off chance of improvement. GP (and I) would prefer to be let go.
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