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Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by Aunche »

halestock wrote: post #38
tengbretson wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 10 years prior to like 2023, any new large scale data center build-out was explicitly for serving more ads. Meanwhile, now that we have a new tech that's literally solving unsolved math problems, we're suddenly doomers. Why?

Because it's pretty evident that all these data centers are primarily intended to eliminate jobs and make more trillionaires and destroy democracy, and the positive stuff (like solving unsolved math problems) doesn't remotely justify that.

The reason all the communist powers switched to capitalism is because they too realized that people with purely selfish intentions can unintentionally help society by satisfying market demands.

Just because capital is happy to take advantage our current incompetent authoritarian populist administration doesn't doesn't mean they don't prefer predictable technocrats in charge. Trump was outspent during all of his campaigns.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by dqv »

Schiendelman wrote: post #104
dqv wrote: post #74

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What percentage of new builds are using closed loop cooling? I've seen this pop data center "fact" thrown around, but with no data to back it up.

By capacity it's trending from around 60% now to 80% by 2030. There is LOTS of reporting about this. One example: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/big-tech/microsof...

I don't see in that article where you're getting 60-80%. Why link to one example instead of the "LOTS" of reporting that shows the 60-80% number you're claiming?

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

jkwn wrote: post #60
fooster wrote: post #53

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The number of doomers and luddites with extremely hyperbolic views on a site for tech entrepreneurs is wild.

You have no frame of reference, Donny. I'm guessing you have no conception of what the world used to be like before 9/11. Back then, the news was reported, and people got outraged at things. Sure, there was injustice then too, and all wars are a racket, but there were still standards of morals. Today, you have a level of corruption in all things that is beyond the imagination, out in the open; and it is out in the op…

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Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by Schiendelman »

dqv wrote: post #112
Schiendelman wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By capacity it's trending from around 60% now to 80% by 2030. There is LOTS of reporting about this. One example: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/big-tech/microsof...

I don't see in that article where you're getting 60-80%. Why link to one example instead of the "LOTS" of reporting that shows the 60-80% number you're claiming?

My goal is to point out to you that it's very easy to self educate on this topic, your next step is to open Google up, or talk to your favorite LLM! I'm merely pointing out that it's trivial to start gathering that information.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by esperent »

rcpt wrote: post #91
halestock wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's pretty evident that all these data centers are primarily intended to eliminate jobs and make more trillionaires and destroy democracy, and the positive stuff (like solving unsolved math problems) doesn't remotely justify that.

Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"? Pretty sure that problem is not limited by computer power

> Can you explain how new data centers "destroy democracy"?

Oligarchs (trillionares and billionaires as they get called in the US) are fundamentally incompatible with democracy.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by dqv »

Schiendelman wrote: post #114
dqv wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see in that article where you're getting 60-80%. Why link to one example instead of the "LOTS" of reporting that shows the 60-80% number you're claiming?

My goal is to point out to you that it's very easy to self educate on this topic, your next step is to open Google up, or talk to your favorite LLM! I'm merely pointing out that it's trivial to start gathering that information.

This question was posed after trying to "easily" educate myself on this topic and not coming up with anything other than that same article about Microsoft's data center and vague references to data center operators "intending" to use closed-loop cooling. I did not ask the question to others without first trying to research it myself.

Again, I ask, where are you getting the 60-80% number?

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by VintageCool »

tenuousemphasis wrote: post #102
flanked-evergl wrote: post #100

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>It's so retarded. Vote for a government that makes it impossible to build more electricity generation capacity, then cry when electricity prices go up. What the absolute fuck are you talking about? Missouri is solidly Republican run at the state level and they are very friendly to corporations.

The Grain Belt Express has been in limbo for 15 years now, despite backing from Invenergy. It has recently taken hits from President Trump, Senator Hawley, and Missouri's AG.

https://cleantechnica.com/2025/07/27/plans-for-a-new-us-wind...

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by baq »

msy wrote: post #72
baq wrote: post #70

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If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut

Do they? There's been a lot of hot air, quite literally, but aside from some math conjectures actual evidence of meaningful progress on anything that actually helps humanity seems rather thin on the ground.

Velocity of capability growth is only surpassed by velocity of goalposts.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by philipallstar »

hibikir wrote: post #80
baq wrote: post #70

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If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut

Once you start from destroying democracy, the chances that the results will quickly put keeping the owner in power ahead of anything good for humanity are high. Autocracies are, in practice, inefficient messes that put loyalty ahead of competency, so one cannot really get prosperity in exchange for no representation. The loss of representation will get us the loss of prosperity real quick. This also applies within co…

> Once you start from destroying democracy

This is too unrealistic a statement. Democracy in the US has had some destruction wrought on it since the media started believing that activism and opinion journalism were more important than facts, and that change is the goal of journalism. That's a massive blow to democracy - far greater than anything happening today. We are living in its results.

> Autocracies are, in practice, inefficient messes that put loyalty ahead of competency, so one cannot really get prosperity in exchange for no representation.

This is totally wrong - autocracies can be extremely efficient. Mussolini made the trains run on time. That is one of the few problems the autocracies don't have, unless their bureaucracy is genuinely so inefficient it can't carry out the autocrat's will.

All government options and private companies can definitely reward loyalty over competence.

Re: Amazon Announces Multibillion-Dollar Data Center in Missouri

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Post by baq »

20after4 wrote: post #101
jkwn wrote: post #73

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It's easy to understand once you understand the power structures at play. The US was founded on Christian principles. Even the chief author of the constitution separated church and state for the express purpose of spreading the gospels of Jesus. There is the source of morality. And then since the mid 20th century this stronghold of morality was by the hidden architects of human affairs allowed to diminish by the corr…

All of the things you say have been around in the form of fringe conspiracy theories for a long time. Thing is, way too many conspiracy theories, it would seem, are just plain facts (or at least very close to the truth if not 100% perfectly accurate in all the details)

Powerful men cooperating on anything at all behind closed doors are essentially conspiracy theories
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