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EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by joe_mamba »

timbit42 wrote: post #110
joe_mamba wrote: post #105

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>And I have to remind myself that people writing this are having a bias: they believe that in a system with few taxes (so less public health care, public eduction, less support for unemployment ...) they are on top, they are the ones with money, they are the ones that win the game. What if your assumption here is incorrect and you are more likely projecting? What if there are other reasons people have? What people ar…

> But more important would be to ask yourself what happens as more and more people become parts of the "needs" group, who will be left to contribute to fund those with needs? If that happens, you're doing it wrong. The point of helping people with social programs is to ensure (ideally) no one falls through the cracks and becomes an even bigger cost to society, so they can eventually contribute to society again instea…

>If that happens, you're doing it wrong.

They already are doing it wrong and they have been since its inception, since the pay-as-you-go system is unsustainable unless population and economic output grow forever and EU has stagnated for the last 20 years and shows no signs of massive comebacks.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by tzs »

lostmsu wrote: post #94
tzs wrote: post #89

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Are you referring to the services offered or just to the number of servers available?

Is there a difference? Does Hetzner offer an alternative to Bedrock (3yo, came out basically same year)?

Unless I made a wrong turn upthread, I think the context was alternatives to US cloud services like AWS for organizations that are trying to develop their own frontier or near frontier models.

My understanding is that Bedrock is for those who want to use existing models. It lets you access models from various companies via a unified API, helps comply with things like GDPR and HIPAA, makes it easy to switch models, and some other things.

For those developing new models what they are looking for is lots of CPU/GPU/storage. They would be fine with classic hosting services where you rented or leased a machine and all the hosting company did was manage the hardware for you.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by monssooon »

dgellow wrote: post #103
monssooon wrote: post #95

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On yeah and they will give you a fine. The number of times I have been stopped by police for driving my bike (pedal bike, not motor or electric) in a criminal way!! Oh my, like not having enough lights on it. Or driving it 3 inches outside of the walking lines in denmark. Lol good job police. That is another thing we have in Europe bike stopping police... Lol it is hilarious... But the size of the fine is not. I had…

That seems to be specific to your country, not a European thing

Yeah probably just Denmark that is like that

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by sajithdilshan »

dgellow wrote: post #83
sajithdilshan wrote: post #53

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Don’t forget Deutsche Bahn, and the best railway system in whole world

Im not sure if it’s a joke or not. In Germany Deutsche Bahn has a terrible reputation since half a decade at least

I was being sarcastic. Everyone knows DB is Schieß

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by lostmsu »

tzs wrote: post #112
lostmsu wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a difference? Does Hetzner offer an alternative to Bedrock (3yo, came out basically same year)?

Unless I made a wrong turn upthread, I think the context was alternatives to US cloud services like AWS for organizations that are trying to develop their own frontier or near frontier models. My understanding is that Bedrock is for those who want to use existing models. It lets you access models from various companies via a unified API, helps comply with things like GDPR and HIPAA, makes it easy to switch models, an…

That's besides the point. Hetzner does not offer training GPUs either. In comparison to AWS it barely offers anything, which was exactly the point of the comment you replied to.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by tzs »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #100
tzs wrote: post #88

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Aren't you assuming that current approaches to AI won't plateau? There's only so far you can push things before you need breakthroughs that give new approaches and when that happens it is often a new playing field.

Motors and cars in general have plateud for decades now, yet I don't see any new car manufacturers springing up in the EU.

I don't see how that is relevant since they already have a large number of major car manufacturers.

The person I was replying to was asserting the the EU could never approach China and US levels in AI even if they made a major effort to do so because by starting N years later they would always be N years behind.

But that is only true, it seems to me, for things that do not plateau. For things that plateau those who start N years late catch up to the leaders N years after the leaders hit the plateau.

ICE cars plateaued a long time ago, and so the EU, the US, and China are all about the same level. They might concentrate more on different market segments, but technologically they all pretty much equally capable.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by inigyou »

joe_mamba wrote: post #106
inigyou wrote: post #42

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> the EU stock market was bigger than the US one in 2004, now it's half I feel this is mostly to do with the EU having more companies that stay private for longer and partly to do with the USA's currency manipulation which maintains the dollar value artificially high.

Every country is free to manipulate its own currency.

And it usually attracts severe penalties from other countries, but the USA doesn't because it's powerful.

Re: EU Commission looking at practical consequences of Anthropic decision

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Post by snovv_crash »

joe_mamba wrote: post #107
snovv_crash wrote: post #10

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You spend too much time online. The EU isn't bogged down with issues, it has uplifted an enormous part of itself out of abject post-communist poverty and yes growth isn't as fast, but it also isn't foisting as much debt on its citizens or working everyone to death. The problems you hear about on the news make the news because they are newsworthy, not because they are normal occurrences.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48528379

You reposted a link to the very comment I responded to. Yes I read it. Yes that was my response.

Would it have been better to do this 20 years ago? Sure, as with most things in hindsight. Is it a lost cause? No.

While the US builds its capital evaluation on the promise that everyone in the country has been convinced to work themselves to death for trinkets and healthcare, Europe has that as a human potential reserve that isn't tapped and frankly is actually managing to see the woods for the trees here.

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