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A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by dare944 »

jameshart wrote: post #45
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like any message that is spam to be able to be traced back to the offending human. I would like anonymous political posts to be untraceable by the government. I can't even get all of what I want.

The problem of the government tracking down people for political posts is supposed to be solved by having laws that constrain the government, not by having corporations provide anonymity as a service.

There's no "supposed to" here. Humans, (including governments) are inclined to do bad things; both law and technology are necessary to restrain those tendencies.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by rastrojero2000 »

3RTB297 wrote: post #65
rastrojero2000 wrote: post #43

Any particular reason yall can't just argue in court that by creating opportunities for your PII to be stolen your governments (state or federal or both) are actively harming you economically? Sure, not much money to be had by fighting that fight but basically any PAC should have the means to do this and by claiming money is at stake and not people's actual safety you do have a better chance at this not being dismiss…

Unless you've had fraud committed against you, that's a hard sell. What dollar figure do you use as the basis? Are you suing for years of credit monitoring? Because that's typically the solution for people who are the victims of PII leaks. One could argue that it's a failure of law enforcement or telcos or regulators to do enough to prevent fraud and maaaaybe bring a class action or something, but that's a massive st…

Given it's a physical impossibility to create an impregnable fortress for your data and said data both already has a dollar amount attached to it in the black market and an obligation to be cared for, the argument could be that the government is setting up companies to lose money unless they too get to sell that data themselves, which regulations -and basic decency- say they can't.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by frollogaston »

theturtletalks wrote: post #28

KYC and AML are the most blatant attempts at subverting due process I’ve ever seen. Instead of the government actually trying to catch money laundering, they just make 3rd parties like banks and payment processors judge, jury, executioner. Effectively giving them the power to decide who can do business. And if they decide you can’t, you have no recourse. If the government didn’t give this power to private companies,…

"Effectively giving them the power to decide who can do business." well it's giving the government the power to decide who can do business. The banks and merchants already had that power, but now they have additional legal risk of doing business with whoever the govt doesn't like.

Ever since 2020, I've seen more stores that won't take cash, and refuse to go there on principle even if I was going to pay with card anyway.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by rastrojero2000 »

Hizonner wrote: post #107
rastrojero2000 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do those regulations often involve the creation and protection of the profit motive for foreign black markets?

Sometimes. Your point?

Here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48505550 glad to help

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by DrewADesign »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #33
criddell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not certain, but I think on my phone incoming calls that fail SHAKEN/STIR show the caller id in red rather than black text. I'm on T-Mobile. It also shows "Number Verified" or something like that.

Now that you mention it, I believe I have seen a couple of red flagged calls, but I still get ~3 calls a day from a very aggressive business loan spammer, it's always a new number and never flagged.

Anybody desperate enough to consider telemarketed merchant cash advances (MCAs) should look into them very carefully first. The contracts often have stipulations that allow them to draw money from your bank account at will, penalty interest rates that jump up 400% APR, have been known to use mafia enforcers to violently extract payments, and the list goes on. There was a more perfect union video (titled something about texting back a loan shark) with a bracing, if sensationalized, look at some of the worst ones.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by logicchains »

naturalmovement wrote: post #98

"Call to Action" is a needlessly impotent threat. Like high school students walking out of their own lunch period to protest the loss of salisbury steak on the menu. Most major telcos worldwide outside the US have strict KYC rules, this is not a battle you are going to win, because there are very few legitimate reasons in support.

There's a very strong legitimate reason, the right for privacy online.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by tencentshill »

phyzome wrote: post #31

It's even worse: Since cell phones broadcast your location at all times, this means telling hundreds of companies (and a number of governments) your location at basically all times. That's already an issue with most cell phones. Making this apply to prepaid phones is even worse.

Apple has implemented a mitigation for this in their new modems, but unfortunately its a carrier opt-in, so only actually useful in Europe.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/apple-expands-this-location-focus...

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by DrewADesign »

iamnothere wrote: post #87
singpolyma3 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because a call is a spam call doesn't mean it is spoofed. STIR/SHAKEN ends spoofing but anyone can ultimately buy a phone and make calls that are spammy.

Nobody is making spam calls with cell phones. Spammers use VOIP services and old TDM systems.

There’s SIM card banks for SMS spam… I’d be surprised if there wasn’t anything similar for calling. Not that I support this bill but it is a thing.

Re: A Call to Action: Stop the FCC's KYC Regime

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Post by godwinson__4-8 »

iamnothere wrote: post #91
jubilanti wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the link between your name and home address? Impossible to scrub. If you're registered to vote, own a home, or many other things, that is legally a matter of public record.

Some people put their home in a trust to avoid this, and not everyone registers to vote.

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