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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by pjmlp »

martinald wrote: post #89
pjmlp wrote: post #7

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Although I usually come up negative on my The Year of Linux Desktop comments, that would already be a starting point. Unless EU citzens are able to easily walk into FNAC, Vobis, Cool Blue, MediaMarket, Carrefour, Publico,.... and come out with a laptop or desktop with e.g. SuSE Linux already set up, this will always be a niche thing from nerds assembling their own PCs, or finding their ways into Tuxedo and co. And th…

Well you can do that right now with Chrom(ium)OS.

Nah, that is a joke OS, where Crostini to this day has hardware support issues depending on the OEM brand, and the RAM/SSD sizes are ridiculous.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by pjmlp »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #64
pjmlp wrote: post #7

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Although I usually come up negative on my The Year of Linux Desktop comments, that would already be a starting point. Unless EU citzens are able to easily walk into FNAC, Vobis, Cool Blue, MediaMarket, Carrefour, Publico,.... and come out with a laptop or desktop with e.g. SuSE Linux already set up, this will always be a niche thing from nerds assembling their own PCs, or finding their ways into Tuxedo and co. And th…

You do realize there is basically zero demand for a Linux desktop by "normal"/"average" users, right?

Yes, hence why that must come from European powers if sovereignty matters to the point not to depend on US powers for our daily computing needs.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by esperent »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #52
omnimus wrote: post #34

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It's not only HN. You can see big tech media hate against any effort europe does. Everybody is mocking europe for building 10 years old chip fabs or their measly small unusable clouds or bad startup scene. It's interesting because not that long ago nobody cared about what europe did in tech. Or more like everybody was fine with the fact that europe imported computers and exported something else. It was like that fore…

Don't forget to say Russia is behind it.

I didn't say that because I don't think it. Honestly, I expect it's mostly Americans plus a couple of self deprecating Europeans making these comments.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

esperent wrote: post #105
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #59

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> No, I love criticism, as long as it's balanced and thoughtful, and invites discussion You forgot to add "and it matches my worldview of things". Knee-jerk criticism is very fine, like "Microsoft sucks" anytime someone mentions Microsoft. You can just ignore it and move on.

No, I intentionally didn't add that. Please challenge my worldview, engage and disagree me. Just put some effort in, please. However, you're still missing the salient point of my comment - that is, overwhelmingly the comments on any post related to the EU here are low effort, negative, reactionary. Honestly, I feel like you're not willing to engage with the point. It's not even the negativity that's my main issue her…

You're wrong.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by enedil »

dash2 wrote: post #83
snowpid wrote: post #71

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" True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. " And these criticism destroys any goodwill from me. These are non topics my among political diverse friends. Most people criticise the EU internet regulations are American cry babys. Their arguments are shallow, their knowledge about EU is low.

If your friends have never said “man I hate these cookie popups”, they sound like a highly selected group.

To be fair, I don't remember people complaining about cookies. The question is fairly simple, etc. Meanwhile ads? They try to steal the attention. So yeah, lots of friends complain about internet ads, not so many about cookies. I'm EU based.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by em-bee »

tcfhgj wrote: post #106
iamacyborg wrote: post #98

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What loopholes?

- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook? - pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

i haven't heard about the first one yet. i totally believe it, but do we have an actual example of facebooks demands? are they documented somewhere?

the second one i experience daily and it's driving me nuts. i am sure it is actually illegal, but i have yet to find an explanation on why it should be allowed or a convincing legal argument in why it actually violates the rules. something that i could send to violators.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by iamacyborg »

tcfhgj wrote: post #106
iamacyborg wrote: post #98

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What loopholes?

- digital services act mandates interoperability in chat, but apparently companies can put require obnoxious terms for interoperating parties such as sharing their users IP addresses - which service is going to agree to that if a very large portion of the alternatives target people not wanting to share data with Facebook? - pay "ridiculous price" or accept ads & tracking instead of allowing to disable tracking

NOYB have raised a complaint on the second one for a publisher in the Nordics.

https://noyb.eu/en/nordic-media-giant-schibsted-switches-pay...

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by 3form »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #102
3form wrote: post #78

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R&D spend? In messaging product? Sorry, but these companies spend much more effort on making sure their product is walled off and incompatible with everything than giving it any actual quality.

> R&D spend? In messaging product? You think Whatsapp for example is this lightweight and easy to use on basically any phone because no one spent a dime on some R&D on how to make it the way it is?

I am not well versed in Android or iPhone software development, but yes, I don't believe that making a non-bloated mobile app is pushing the frontier of software engineering.

There could be some arguments made somewhere as to where R&D money could go, perhaps somewhere in the backbone that billions could use, but the UI is not it.

All that said, I don't know how it furthers your initial argument exactly, as the DMA "beneficiaries" benefit from this lightweightness in zero percent. If anything, it's a negative, because one could assume they have to do better than that with what they're offering.

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