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32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Post by stuxnet79 »

arjie wrote: post #78
stuxnet79 wrote: post #75

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Some might call this a boomer build but the 4790k is an absolute beast of a CPU and still holds up.

I recently booted up an old 4790k system and it was fine on Linux but on Windows it would nag me to update but apparently the CPU is too old for new Windows. I ended up giving it away on the Internet to whomever could pick up but afterwards it ended up with one of those reseller chaps. Ah well, I wish it had made to some kid somewhere.

> Windows it would nag me to update but apparently the CPU is too old for new Windows

When I was trying to upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10 I got the same warning. It is the reason why I'm now happily running Xubuntu on the same machine.

I did end up installing a Windows 11 VM (VirtualBox) which works perfectly fine running as a guest under Xubuntu on a 4790k (screw you Microsoft). But I otherwise never want go back to Windows as a daily driver. The enshittification just got too much for me.

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Post by esterna »

nerdjon wrote: post #79
lionkor wrote: post #64

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> People want this, the demand is there. It's impossible to avoid using AI multiple times a day, just because it's forced into every product under the sun. That is NOT demand. None of those users WANT this.

We can be cynics of AI without ignoring reality, if no one wanted this no one would be chatting with Claude or ChatGPT directly, but people obviously are. The fact is there are people that do in fact want this, and it isn't just CEO's hoping to cut jobs.

There is certainly a lot of demand at the current price of free or subsidised subscriptions. It remains to be seen what the demand is at profitable prices.

If the vendors decide that free (ad-supported) use is necessary to keep demand, we will be entering a new era of surveillance capitalism instead.

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Post by MegaDeKay »

qingcharles wrote: post #96
deltoidmaximus wrote: post #11

AMD just brought the popular 5800X3D back out of retirement to give people maintaining the DDR4 based platforms something to buy. Last I checked used DDR4 was half the price of used DDR5 after the prices of both shot up.

Everyone re-releasing their old crap. Nvidia is remaking the 3060 too I believe because they can use cheaper older RAM on it.

I know what you're meaning but the 5800X3D is still a beast of a gaming CPU. It remains a great option for AM4 gaming.

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Post by Shitty-kitty »

wahern wrote: post #107
danaris wrote: post #90

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> If someone wants to build a factory that can't operate without illegal emissions, then so be it. It's their money lost. All that matters is that they don't actually pollute. That's hopelessly naïve. If you let them build the facility that can pollute, they're going to pollute . And if you point to the pollution coming out and tell them "you have to stop," they're going to say "make us." And if you point to the poll…

First of all I disagree that it's difficult to get injunctions to stop an activity that was illegal from the start. In fact, sometimes environmental reviews can backfire because they typically require affirmation by the government, which can create a defense to doing something that would otherwise be judged illegal. That type of loophole is why people are so cynical. But even so, how does the song & dance prevent any…

The plan details how those chemical storage tanks are designed and constructed. The monitoring, in place, the contingency plans.

It raises the stakes, Obviously they can still cheat but now it's a matter of criminal negligence not civil law.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

rvnx wrote: post #76
Our_Benefactors wrote: post #44

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They do, it’s called CXMT and they are making RAM under contract for Corsair

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has warned Samsung and SK Hynix they could face 100% tariffs, framing it as a choice between paying a 100% tariff or building memory fabs in America... Punishing instead of supporting.

Who cares about America. American tech bros created the problem.

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Post by ecshafer »

Shitty-kitty wrote: post #46
ecshafer wrote: post #30

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Government needs to get out of the way. Micron announced a memory fab in Syracuse in 2023. It took 3 years, 20,000 pages of "environmental review", deals with the government on amount of union contracts during building, etc. for them to break ground in 2026 for a 2030 opening date. In any reasonable world, a 2023 announcement should have broke ground in 2023.

Buddy they ain't building an ice-cream parlor. 200 miles of the Hudson river is a Superfund site. The biggest polluters, PCB's, lead and mercury.

The main blocker was that there were bats there so they needed to buy separate land to preserve. 20k pages of environmental review is just make work to spend money and create an unnecessary paper trail. If polluting with x is illegal then its illegal. The review doesnt stop that.

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Post by KeplerBoy »

sixothree wrote: post #61
Hamuko wrote: post #50

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My bet is that we're not gonna see any adjustments in RAM pricing until one of the planned data center projects collapses in a spectacular way.

And honestly, we will have much bigger problems if that bubble pops in a spectacular fashion.

Which problems would that be? Nasdaq crashing by a few percent and a major player to go under. Seems almost inevitable at some point.

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Post by zozbot234 »

gvalkov wrote: post #99

The squeeze is real even at the SME level. We recently wanted to add another TB of memory to several servers (we do EDA chip design, which eats a lot of memory). Quotes came back to about €200k for 48 x 96GB DDR5-5600 RDIMMs. Mind you, this is for refurbished memory with 1 year warranty. I'm still figuring out if this is FU-pricing or just how things are going to be from now on. Spec-ing and buying servers has become…

If you don't need the full memory bandwidth of DDR5 for any particular application area, the best solution is probably just to add flash storage for mostly read-only data and Intel Optane (still sold in the secondary market at around $1/GB) for write-heavy scratchpad space. The latter gives you around DDR3ish performance at a higher power draw than DRAM or modern flash, but its wearout-resistance and lower latency compared to flash still matters.

> Quotes came back to about €200k for 48 x 96GB DDR5-5600 RDIMMs.

That's around EUR 40 per GB? That seems quite high compared to what consumer DDR5 RAM is selling for, though it being RDIMM may account for some of the difference.

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