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Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore. So, in some sense, it is immaterial that the rosy scenarios where AI is responsible for >$30 trillion in the next decade are unlikely. If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride. Burry is well aware of this, he has written about how passive investing is contributin…

> If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride. > Burry is well aware of this ... Well, no he isn't well aware of this, apparently. He's been right in 2008 but he has been spectacularly wrong for the last 5 to 10 years, like shorting Tesla or Nvidia at the worst possible moments - and eventually closing his hedge fund...

Sure, no one can predict the future. But even then, Tesla's fundamentals are shaky and it is held by Musk's ability to sell his story and brand, only some fundamentals hold- albeit the same 'fans' buying its cars might be invested in its stock. Same thing might be happening with Nvidia- hyperscalers heavily investing in infrastructure and pushing AI adoption to justify ROI.

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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post #11

The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore. So, in some sense, it is immaterial that the rosy scenarios where AI is responsible for >$30 trillion in the next decade are unlikely. If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride. Burry is well aware of this, he has written about how passive investing is contributin…

> If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride. > Burry is well aware of this ... Well, no he isn't well aware of this, apparently. He's been right in 2008 but he has been spectacularly wrong for the last 5 to 10 years, like shorting Tesla or Nvidia at the worst possible moments - and eventually closing his hedge fund...

He was wrong about the timing of the bubble popping and might well still be too early, as passive investing might allow for the market to keep inflating for many years to come. Mike Green explaining it better, about how mathematically, there is an inflexion point where if x% of investment is passive, it could make the whole system unstable (I don't remember the specific number) and crash, but until then, it will keep rising.

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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post #11

The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore. So, in some sense, it is immaterial that the rosy scenarios where AI is responsible for >$30 trillion in the next decade are unlikely. If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride. Burry is well aware of this, he has written about how passive investing is contributin…

The US is adding so much money to the economy every year and all that money has to go somewhere. I used to think this would come crashing down but at this point no one cares about debt and by the time we do it will be too late.

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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He's been wrong a few times, but has been right far more than ONCE and appears to be profitably making decisions. For example: Short dot.com stocks (55% return), short subprime mortgages (Massive return), long Gamestop 2019, short ARKK 2021, The shorts on Palantir and NVDA are probably still running (PLTR 25% in profit, NVDA 20% loss).

> long Gamestop 2019 So he really relies on zero fundamental analysis these days

He was early and had a clear thesis based on fundamentals, he had nothing to do with the short squeeze

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameStop_short_squeeze#:~:text...

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's been wrong a few times, but has been right far more than ONCE and appears to be profitably making decisions. For example: Short dot.com stocks (55% return), short subprime mortgages (Massive return), long Gamestop 2019, short ARKK 2021, The shorts on Palantir and NVDA are probably still running (PLTR 25% in profit, NVDA 20% loss).

> long Gamestop 2019 So he really relies on zero fundamental analysis these days

The Gamestop 2019 play was a fundamental analysis on supply and demand of the shares of the stock vs financial performance. TSLA seems to be similar. There is just a lot of demand for the the stock.

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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This is a very interesting comment. Companies like OpenAI or ChatGPT sell hardware hidden in tokens, and the token is different for each company depending on the tokenizer. The concern is this: when you have an Opus 4.7, Sonnet, or GPT 5X with an Nvidia H100 or H200 GPU, what will happen to this cost when, if not Nvidia, another Chinese company enters the market and starts running these models? The point here is that…

If you check openrouter there are a tons of providers selling API access to open source LLMs at a fraction of the cost compared to SOTA models (codex/claude). What model you're serving and what kind of platform you serve is a big factor.

I'm no expert but I think eventually we'll have even more specialized ASIC like machines with models burned into them and a that will absorb a chunk of the market, similar to what happened to crypto mining but to a lesser degree since the work isn't as static.

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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post #11

The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore. So, in some sense, it is immaterial that the rosy scenarios where AI is responsible for >$30 trillion in the next decade are unlikely. If you bet against the hype and it goes on for a few more months/years you lose as much or more than if you went along for the ride. Burry is well aware of this, he has written about how passive investing is contributin…

> The stock market doesn't operate on long-term principles anymore. It has been broken since ~2008 (ZIRPs, etc.) and has really gone off the rails since BTC and memestocks have taken off. Now everything's a memestock. It's all vibes-based.

The Stock Market of the Spectacle

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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Unless the investment was into worthless paper from those companies, tied to pension funds and similar.

The strategy should be to put money into AI broadly and not necessarily tie to a certain company -- something pension companies already know. So evidence that internet was a bubble is wrong, it in fact shows that pensions did the right thing by putting money in the internet.

Do I need to dig out newspaper articles from around 2003 - 2008?

Re: Michael Burry says neither SpaceX nor Anthropic is worth $1T

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Yeah, indeed. See (march) https://www.reuters.com/business/new-nasdaq-rules-include-fa... Quote from Cameron Lilja, Nasdaq's global head of index solutions: "It is not necessarily representative to have a company that's big and could have a sizable representation in the index to keep them out for that long," Lilja said in an interview. "We're seeing share and corporate structures change - and companies that are stayi…

How much will NASDAQ make for getting SpaceX on them? Surely it is not small sum?

Tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars for listing. But they make money from the trading and associated services they facilitate, hence the desire to have the largest most liquid stocks.

https://resourcehub.bakermckenzie.com/en/resources/cross-bor...

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/050515/how-n...

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