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Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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I don't mean to imply it isn't. I wouldn't be surpised. I just have no evidence of such. CA TLS is messy and pretty much impossible to get right even over medium timescales. But it does reminds me of when Garmin GPS would make the storage filesystem limited to say, 3GB of read size, then offer "lifetime map updates" while knowing that in a few years the new map size will not be readable on old Garmin devices.

“ the original 2023 end-of-support page had been re-dated and rewritten on Microsoft's site; the "continue to function" clause was removed” You sound like a shill trying to muddy the waters. It’s petty clear when they silently change their web pages to delete features sold that it’s quite deliberate or did they accidentally do that too? Do you have a direct or indirect relationship with microsoft perchance or just mi…

If you're talking about the modified web pages, then disabling the licenses is intentional. If you're talking about the original decision to use certificates around 2019, it is more doubtful. Sure, they would have known the certificates would expire, they could push out a small update to remedy that, and that they would eventually stop doing so. On the other hand, doing so seven or eight years later on a platform where they could probably wait another five years and expect Apple to do the job for them (i.e. Apple isn't going to maintain Intel support forever). That seems like an invitation for angry and potentially litigious users.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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IMO it would be better if there was a general mechanism to prevent profiting from corrupt business practices. For example, a court could determine how much money Microsoft made by selling perpetual licenses that turned out to be a lie, add interest, add a 50% penalty, and require Microsoft to pay all of that into a trust to be collected by any customers harmed. The point would not be so much to help the customers but…

You can do class action litigation, but that takes years and the lawyers collect 30-50% of any settlement. The economics for customers don't make sense.

The Office 2024 license quoted in comment [1] says that "class action lawsuits ... aren't allowed" (but only if you live in US). Truly free country where you a free to even waive your right to sue.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48341968

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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Well, technically they never said the products would continue to function with the same functionality . But also this is Micro$oft, and I would've thought people would know by now that do only what's in their own interest.

It's entirely reasonable to expect the basic functionality of document and spreadsheet editors to edit documents and spreadsheets. If an editor no longer can edit, it's no longer functional. Microsoft seems to know this which is why they removed the "continue to function" clause from their end-of-support page. Unfortunately this kind of thing will continue since Microsoft can survive any slap on the wrist that might…

> They've done it countless times throughout their existence.

Exactly. As such I no longer consider them accountable when they do this kind of thing. It's the buyers' fault for not voting for better with their wallets, and I have 0 sympathy for them.

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Is it me or are people too eager to "one track mind" everything into AI? If I had said thirty years ago that Microsoft would remote disable old copies of Office asking you to upgrade, literally no one would be surprised. This is standard MO for Microsoft, even in a world without AI.

"literally no one would be surprised" Microsoft 30 years ago was the gold standard for bending over backwards for backward compatibility. For the proposition that once you have purchased one of their products, you didn't have to maintain any further relationship with the company. This behavior is strictly the new 2010s Apple-like microsoft.

Adobe was really the pioneer for that.

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Interesting that the deadline is checks notes one day before the Nightmare deadline. Definitely not a coincidence, right?

It’s also the day before SharePoint 2016 and SharePoint 2019 (both considered office products) fall out of support and have to be replaced by SharePoint subscription edition.

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This shouldn't be legal. The software was clearly marketed as a classic fixed-in-time release, like the old CD releases, that would not be updated but would work indefinitely. Now they're going to boldly revoke the licenses???

It’s more malicious than that, they’re simply not renewing their code signing license hence making the software non-functional.

Re: Microsoft Office 2019 and 2021 for Mac view-only conversion

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This change would go against multiple consumer guarantees in Australia where it's 1) a right to have undisturbed possession of a product 2) products must be fit for the advertised purpose https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/buying-products-and-servic... Microsoft would be breaking consumer law if the change goes ahead for the perpetual licenses they sold in Australia

And this won't be their first time breaking Australian Consumer Law... Twelve months ago no less!

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/microsoft-in-court-for...

The ACCC is going to love this.

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> Microsoft 30 years ago was the gold standard for bending over backwards for backward compatibility And for reselling you the same office suite every couple of years. (Full disclosure, I worked there in the 2000s... So if anything I should be biased the other way.)

Right, but if you bought office 2000 it was established that you would get to keep using office 2000 for as long as you wanted

There are probably still a minority using Office 2000 out there, because it still does everything they need.
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