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Re: You can just say it

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Post by almostdeadguy »

coldtea wrote: post #108

> “Humans are valuable.” You can just say it. As a human yourself, I advise you to. You do not need to qualify it. This is a robust1 statement that is not conditional on a point-in-time snapshot of the leading frontier model’s score on some recent benchmark. Nope, it very much is conditional to it, as it's conditional to utility. The OP is not going to come an pay someone who can't get a job and has zero market value…

Society would certainly be better without people who judge others by their market value.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

fantasizr wrote: post #103
cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

I feel bad for this generation who will have to listen to prompted eulogies and wedding toasts. And worse for the genuine writers who now will be accused of having done so.

Or to have to live all their lives with slop thrown at them left and right...

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

singingtoday wrote: post #48
reaperducer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also I just find it a little insulting if someone sends me an AI response. If you can't be bothered to write it, I can't be bothered to read it.

I'm dyslexic. I put every comment through the LLM, or other tools. Including this comment. I understand where you're coming from but please believe me when I tell you that if I write comments myself nobody will understand them and it just turns into an argument where people claim I say things that I didn't say. By filtering my comments through an llm, I have reduced this issue significantly.

>I'm dyslexic. I put every comment through the LLM, or other tools. Including this comment.

What we said here applies to the general population, not such special cases.

Of course, if a dyslexic lets it do more than correct typos and grammar/syntax, the "don't send me LLM crap" also applies to them!

And even for non-native speakers, I'd prefer to get their actual output, not the LLM version.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

beering wrote: post #5

So many people have spent a lot of energy dehumanizing others on the basis of their “contribution to society”. Ideas like, if you aren’t employed, you shouldn’t have access to healthcare, etc. I can only hope that AI can force people to rethink whether their value is tied to their work output or not.

AI will only make “contribution to society” even stronger criterion, and help create permanent "not needed" underclasses.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by coldtea »

almostdeadguy wrote: post #111
coldtea wrote: post #108

> “Humans are valuable.” You can just say it. As a human yourself, I advise you to. You do not need to qualify it. This is a robust1 statement that is not conditional on a point-in-time snapshot of the leading frontier model’s score on some recent benchmark. Nope, it very much is conditional to it, as it's conditional to utility. The OP is not going to come an pay someone who can't get a job and has zero market value…

Society would certainly be better without people who judge others by their market value.

Yes, but would also be better if everybody got a free pony with supplies for life or met true love, etc.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by andai »

We have two paths before us as a species.

a. Decouple the value of human life from economic output.

b. Watch as the value of human life rapidly approaches zero.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by afavour »

nojs wrote: post #109
tsunagatta wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not the author but I have used that quote before, and no, I mean it literally. I would prefer any words that came from your own brain over the output of a statistical model. I don't mind if it's short, or didn't take much time, or doesn't have much thought put into it, I want it to be yours. The subtle mistakes in how my interlocutor perceives the world and communicates themselves are the entire point.

“tell my obnoxious boss to fuck off about the tps reports” isn’t a great career move for them though

Generating AI responses to all your emails isn’t a great career move either, though

Re: You can just say it

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Post by afavour »

beering wrote: post #5

So many people have spent a lot of energy dehumanizing others on the basis of their “contribution to society”. Ideas like, if you aren’t employed, you shouldn’t have access to healthcare, etc. I can only hope that AI can force people to rethink whether their value is tied to their work output or not.

I don’t know why it would. That rethink has always been possible, yet didn’t happen.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by lantry »

gavinray wrote: post #101
lantry wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is eating meat pragmatic or economic? A vegetarian diet is less expensive and just as healthy.

Hard to find more protein per dollar than $2/lb of canned chicken with an equal or even similar Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS).

eggs and milk are generally cheaper per gram of protein, and both have the same PDCAAS as chicken

Re: You can just say it

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Post by laughinghan »

roenxi wrote: post #53
cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

Yeah, that's one of those sentiments where people say it but they probably don't mean it literally. Much like if your boss asks for honest feedback giving it to them with both barrels is a career limiting move. You make subtle mistakes in how you perceive the world, the interlocutor makes similar mistakes and the damage those mistakes do is limited if you follow some structural rules of how to communicate (aka polite…

> You make subtle mistakes in how you perceive the world, the interlocutor makes similar mistakes

And the LLM makes subtle mistakes perceiving what you were trying to say, and I make subtle mistakes perceiving what the LLM generated.

It's interesting that you seem to think an LLM would be better than you at understanding what someone was trying to say. I have complete, 100% certainty that if a personal friend of mine was having trouble expressing themselves and was concerned about being misunderstood, I would understand what they were trying to say better than any existing LLM. (I suppose the exception would be if the friend was referencing some factual matter I'm unaware of but that the LLM has memorized, like a pop culture reference I didn't get or something.) Do you find that ChatGPT has more emotional intelligence than you?

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