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Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by socalgal2 »

dahart wrote: post #76
socalgal2 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think those laws will last. They were written in the 70s before youtube. Ideally the law would allow the critique but recongize it's the IP drawing in the users, and sharing some of the revenue.

Fair use was common law with judicial precedents for a couple hundred years before it became a statutory law in 1976. Why would fair use law go away? Fair use for the purpose of critique is maybe the best & most favored defense of fair use by the Copyright Office, and ties together necessary copyright exceptions for supporting Free Speech and journalism, among other good reasons. Things also seem to be moving in the…

I never said you shouldn't be able to use it, I only said you should have to share revenue if you use someone else's work. "fair use" and critique would still be a thing.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by JdeBP »

niccl wrote: post #63
aamar wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The artist, JT Nimoy, was an Emacs user but still thought it would be fun to set up a dichotomy--some fun details on this blog. A few more details were shared at a talk at an HN meetup several years ago. https://jtnimoy.cc/item.php%3Fhandle=14881671-tron-legacy.ht...

and the comment there about using emacs for the different shells in different modes possibly explains the un-resolved nit in TFA about proportional and monospaced fonts in different areas

Almost. The explanation there is that effectively jtnimoy did the terminal user equivalent of motion capture. Xe ran some shell sessions, which were recorded, and the animators took them and reconstructed them in Adobe and Cinema 4D.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by tardedmeme »

xerox13ster wrote: post #108
tardedmeme wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feel free to be as smug as you went while your brand fades to irrelevance. I'm telling you what will happen, not what should happen.

I would encourage you to read both of these comments in succession with nothing else between them. The first two words of the first comment are “You should” then your follow up grammatically evaluates to “I’m not telling you what should happen”. All they did is point out that suggesting people should post to YouTube exacerbates the network effects you allude to.

"You should" begins what actions I suggest you do in order to mitigate the outside forces that are happening whether you like them or not. The outside world is certain. Your response is something you can influence.

The world sucks. You get to choose your response and if you choose wrong your business gets Darwinned. I've told you what actions I think will avoid your business getting Darwinned, but your response has been denial. Your response was essentially: "wow, fuck you for telling me the world sucks. Here's a non sequitur to try and make you feel bad."

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by computerdork »

D13Fd wrote: post #72
computerdork wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone in music, yeah, that was one of the best movie soundtrack’s of all time (not much like it in movies beforehand). But kind of disagree about the film, think it was under appreciated. It isn’t a masterpiece, but the acting, the overall story, and the visuals were really good. And yeah, those dark Tron-visuals combined with the pulsing, digital daft-punk music really worked (at least for me), and when I want…

Yeah I still rewatch it occasionally. I feel like it’s full of missed opportunities, and you have to shut your brain off, but it’s still good fun.

Agreed, good way to put it:)

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Post by computerdork »

Timwi wrote: post #19
agloe_dreams wrote: post #8

The funny thing about all of this to me is that, compared to most 'hacking' scenes in movies, this bit is wildly realistic, almost too good. If they were like "run upload_me" we wouldn't even be talking about it.

I’ll quickly create a GUI interface using Visual Basic to track the killer’s IP address.

Haha! And have really big, oversized buttons and fonts, and containing only a title and 3 input boxes.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

abulman wrote: post #86
OhMeadhbh wrote: post #77

lol. I remember seeing LLLSDL go by when I originally saw the movie. The funny but is I had just written the internet draft for LLSD, so I was wondering g if someone on the writing staff had been following our work at Linden Lab. More likely it was a coincidence and all the L's meant "Laser."

As I pointed out to the OP on Mastodon, I very much believe that it was a reference to Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, where they filmed a big door, and the original laser sequence from the first TRON movie. LLL also made an in-house video when they were filming the original movie - https://www.spyculture.com/dept-energy-invent-making-video/

sure, but when I worked there, the only abbreviation I remember seeing was LLNL for Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. But the T:L producers could easily have just used LLL as their own abbreviation.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by SanjayMehta »

computerdork wrote: post #20
s_dev wrote: post #6

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work. It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.

As someone in music, yeah, that was one of the best movie soundtrack’s of all time (not much like it in movies beforehand). But kind of disagree about the film, think it was under appreciated. It isn’t a masterpiece, but the acting, the overall story, and the visuals were really good. And yeah, those dark Tron-visuals combined with the pulsing, digital daft-punk music really worked (at least for me), and when I want…

The Overture sounds like Chariots of Fire and The Lord of the Rings had a baby in the beginning, followed by a Kraftwerk wannabe who couldn't afford a vocoder.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by bspammer »

quelsolaar wrote: post #11

I was luck to know Josh Nimoy who is responsible for a lot of this in the movie, who has since sadly passed away. Josh took great pride in the fact that he was able to put Emacs and a bunch of Unix commands in a major Hollywood blockbuster.ed

https://web.archive.org/web/20230506100057/https://www.talis...

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by JdeBP »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #50

$ login -n root Login incorrect login: backdoor No home directory specified in password file! Logging in with home=/ # I don't agree with the interpretation that Sam tried and failed to login as root, and THEN tried to login as a different user, backdoor. Because if that's what happened, shouldn't there be another $ prompt before he types `backdoor` and gets the #? It seems to me that's an unobfuscated password field…

No. After the 'Login incorrect' (or equivalent on non-Solaris systems) message, login(1) loops around back to prompting for the user name afresh. Try it.

What's unusual here is rather the missing password prompt after 'login root', which is presumably what the fictional -n option (non-existent in BSD or Solaris login) is suppressing.

* https://illumos.org/man/1/login

* https://man.netbsd.org/login.1

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