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EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by tpm »

LunaSea wrote: post #50
crote wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because it is the start of enforcement. That's how it works, not just a one-and-done slap on the wrist. If they don't fix it, it'll eventually continue to the "20% of worldwide revenue" kind of fine everyone on HN was so afraid of when the GDPR was introduced. But that's not what it starts with.

It will never continue to 20% of worldwide revenue. No matter how long they refuse to comply with EU laws for. GDPR has been a farce in terms of enforcement.

Because the GDPR enforcement is left to privacy agencies in the members states. The DSA is enforced at the EU level, so that might actually work.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by whimsicalism »

dsign wrote: post #109

Say what you may of Temu, and I do think more vetting of certain goods is a good idea, but they fill a very real need. In the part of Europe where I live, the choice is only between intermediaries for the same products coming from China. The local intermediaries sell a very limited picking at staggering margins. And when it comes to certain things, like electronic components, the choice is between importing (old) Ame…

yes, i'm very in favor of the shift towards direct-to-consumer among chinese retailers, but that might be because i'm not actually all that sympathetic to small business

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by lokar »

mc32 wrote: post #95
lokar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Require the recipient affirm the package meets all legal requirements, and personally assume liability for any violation.

That’s unworkable: asking a recipient unfamiliar with producers to know whether producer is reputable or not in advance and if the producer is unscrupulous you expect every affected buyer to follow up or be in violation of importation laws?

If you are not sure, buy from within the EU from an importer who deals with this.

The old system of spot inspections worked because most import volume was from known, repeat importers.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by [deleted] »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #96
manoDev wrote: post #56

Isn't there some kind of law to disallow imports without a CE / RoHS / etc label? Why allow it to enter the EU, and then fine the seller afterwards?

With a few exceptions, those labels do not mean that the product has actually been tested or actually complies with the standard. They are a self-certification: CE means “I promise this complies with European norms”, but the entity deciding to print that on a product may not be honest. Small fly-by-night operations on the other side of the planet have little incentive to be honest. Generally speaking, international d…

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Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by nickff »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #102
kvgr wrote: post #55

I am very pro free market, but Temu with data harvesting and selling illegal projects should be banned together with tiktok...

Doesn’t TEMU have CCP ties? Free market is for businesses and individuals and foreign govt entities should not unfairly benefit from a free market.

Every major PRoC company is required to have CCP ties; in addition to 'paying for facilitation' by local officials, a certain percentage of their employees must be CCP members.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by ktallett »

dsign wrote: post #109

Say what you may of Temu, and I do think more vetting of certain goods is a good idea, but they fill a very real need. In the part of Europe where I live, the choice is only between intermediaries for the same products coming from China. The local intermediaries sell a very limited picking at staggering margins. And when it comes to certain things, like electronic components, the choice is between importing (old) Ame…

There is some validity to a marketplace selling items from a larger range of retailers, however the quality is so poor for many items that it simply is no good for society in any way.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by cm2012 »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #102
kvgr wrote: post #55

I am very pro free market, but Temu with data harvesting and selling illegal projects should be banned together with tiktok...

Doesn’t TEMU have CCP ties? Free market is for businesses and individuals and foreign govt entities should not unfairly benefit from a free market.

All big companies in China are partially run by the CCP. Just how it works there.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by manoDev »

MobiusHorizons wrote: post #59
manoDev wrote: post #56

Isn't there some kind of law to disallow imports without a CE / RoHS / etc label? Why allow it to enter the EU, and then fine the seller afterwards?

Are you suggesting opening every package to check for a CE? I think fining after the fact is how those laws are enforced.

I see, the issue is those parcels are mailed directly, not from a logistics operation already inside EU borders.

In my country the government is pushing those companies to have local warehouses. So if items are bulk imported by the marketplace, in theory it should be easier to inspect.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Post by mc32 »

lokar wrote: post #113
mc32 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s unworkable: asking a recipient unfamiliar with producers to know whether producer is reputable or not in advance and if the producer is unscrupulous you expect every affected buyer to follow up or be in violation of importation laws?

If you are not sure, buy from within the EU from an importer who deals with this. The old system of spot inspections worked because most import volume was from known, repeat importers.

I think thats asking much from people some of whom easily get scammed by phone banks in Eastern Europe, India etc. many people will not put in that effort.
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