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Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Post by basilikum »

userbinator wrote: post #63
basilikum wrote: post #49

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That was before you could go to jail over that. > I don't think anyone tried to go after them because they'd be fighting the 1st Amendment. I have bad news for you: https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq#fo...

Once again, no one gives a shit what you do with the bits on your own hard drive.

One of the core principles of free software is that you can not only modify software yourself, but you can also share your modifications with others and collaborate with them.

Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Post by layla5alive »

darkwater wrote: post #82
Groxx wrote: post #73

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Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle . If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once.…

Because libraries predate copyright and publishers and all the industry behind it. If libraries were to be invented nowadays, they won't let them purchase a single physical book to be enjoyed by several different physical persons over the course of time. What the publishing industry would like to have is 1 physical person = 1 or more physical copies, not the other way round.

This can't be overstated! Libraries would never be allowed to come into existence today. I think we should all think long and hard about the society we have collectively created. It is not too late to make an effort to fight to reclaim the rights and norms we've ceded...

Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Groxx wrote: post #73
userbinator wrote: post #45

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Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle . If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once.…

Libraries purchase books.

But not those who visit them and read for free.

Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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userbinator wrote: post #113
Groxx wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle . If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once.…

Libraries purchase books. But not those who visit them and read for free.

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Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Post by [deleted] »

userbinator wrote: post #113
Groxx wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle . If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once.…

Libraries purchase books. But not those who visit them and read for free.

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Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Post by Groxx »

userbinator wrote: post #113
Groxx wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle . If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once.…

Libraries purchase books. But not those who visit them and read for free.

And LLM companies purchase roughly nothing they train on (nor do their users), which is the point of the comparison here.

Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Post by basilikum »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #102
userbinator wrote: post #39

As someone who has done RE for decades, I feel like I've been seeing a lot of new decompilation projects recently, but even before the rise of AI. Possibly correlated with the release of Ghidra? Either way, it's great to see and perhaps a sign of a greater trend. Controversial opinion: I think the FOSS movement was a setback and distraction from attaining software freedom as well as giving an undeserved negative repu…

My personal opinion is that the very concept of IP misses the mark. “Property” requires scarcity. If I use something, it means someone else can’t use that thing. When I use a house for living, others are unable to do so. When I consume food or water, others people can’t do so. Ideas aren’t scarce. Someone who reads a book, or looks at a picture, or makes use of a copy of software is not preventing other people from d…

Copies are not scarce, but the human effort to create the original is.

Copyright in its origin was a time limited adaptation of property to non material, creative works (not ideas, those are not copyrightable) and most derivates of it to incentive this effort. It's a compromise to combat the tragedy of the commons for the mutual benefit of the author and the general public.

Modern copyright has nothing to do with this and is indeed highly dystopic.

Re: Snowboard Kids 2 is 100% Decompiled

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Post by Groxx »

darkwater wrote: post #82
Groxx wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries purchase books. One for every book they loan out at a time, digitally or physically. The most recent noteworthy counter-example is archive.org breaching their "one purchase = one concurrent loan" limit during COVID, and they lost that court battle . If you're equating libraries to LLMs, then every leading-model company would have purchased ~every book, newspaper, movie, and song in existence at least once.…

Because libraries predate copyright and publishers and all the industry behind it. If libraries were to be invented nowadays, they won't let them purchase a single physical book to be enjoyed by several different physical persons over the course of time. What the publishing industry would like to have is 1 physical person = 1 or more physical copies, not the other way round.

So how do you explain LLM companies paying roughly none of it? If you're saying the protection is stronger now... how have they not been sued out of existence?

Honestly at this point a library might be an easy sell, in some ways. Copyright holders would be getting something rather than nothing (or the nearly-nothing they get from streaming), they might leap at that.

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