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Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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Solvinity is a pretty terrible company name.

We're terrible at company and brand naming here in Europe. Just look at the "Wero" payment solution (formerly/currently iDeal). Like, who the hell came up with that stupid name? The list of stupid European company names and product names are endless.

Only English-sounding names are cool. The terminal state of cultural domination.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#112

Good on the Dutch government for actually doing something.

At the same time they're allowing the tax office to migrate completely from a self hosted solution to office 365 do there's that.

They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing this. Several attempts were made to force them to block the takeover. Not sure what caused their latest turnaround.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#113

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Because too few IT capable people are willing to work under the government's pay scales; in most cases going private / corporate earns more. So most Dutch IT projects end up with private companies, which also means that, in the case of DigID and the secure / official messaging platform, the hosting party can charge exorbitant rates. Did you know it costs 25 cents to send a message via the Berichtenbox? So when the go…

There are plenty of people who are willing to work for the government and the pay is pretty decent. But their stack is often Microsoft based and their IT is located in Apeldoorn. Who in their right mind would want to travel all the way to Apeldoorn. A good example of internal development in the government is the police. They have internal development teams.

Most people managing stuff running in a datacenter don't live near that datacenter, it really doesn't matter where it's located. Also, the Netherlands is so tiny that crossing half of the country would still fall under "reasonable commute" in many places

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

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Estonia's tech was cool maybe 20 years ago. From what I understand it's a bit too hard on fetishization of PKI and Ukraine goes too hard on apps. Netherlands actually gets it really well with DigId that is doing bare minimum needed to actually perform eidas stuff without getting into the woods with legally blessed asn1 schemas and oid [0]. I'm not sure what bespoke stuff they invented to get their sweet vendor lock i…

Can you elaborate on what you find problematic about the Estonian ID stack?

For one, they had a a major f-up with eIDs in 2017: https://ria.ee/en/news/estonia-resolves-its-id-card-crisis

And they are just good at marketing. Belgium had eIDs earlier never messed up so much as Estonians.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#115

As a Dutch citizen, I don't understand why we can't self-host an open source identity solution for 20M users with 30K requests an hour. How hard can it be?

30k requests and hour? A 5 euro VPS can handle this easily.

If the owner of the stack (Logio or whatever it was called, see upthread) doesn't understand it, the consultants will run wild and soon it will require a hectare-sized datacenter running a zillion containers, and another DC for HA of course.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#116
The concerning thing for the EU should be that this valuable firm had no European capital trying to buy it. The Dutch have protected their sovereignty today while decreasing the incentive for the next entrepreneur to make something on European shores. Probably the best choice but doesn't change the structural problem.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#117
post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of people who are willing to work for the government and the pay is pretty decent. But their stack is often Microsoft based and their IT is located in Apeldoorn. Who in their right mind would want to travel all the way to Apeldoorn. A good example of internal development in the government is the police. They have internal development teams.

Most people managing stuff running in a datacenter don't live near that datacenter, it really doesn't matter where it's located. Also, the Netherlands is so tiny that crossing half of the country would still fall under "reasonable commute" in many places

Maybe that’s a reasonable commute to the US mind who isn’t used to work/life balance and likes spending unpaid hours in their car losing precious time with their family.

For me, a reasonable commute is a 10 minute bike ride to the office.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#118
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It's a state owned enterprise as far as I remember. So technically they don't wear civil service uniforms in the office, but still get the usual government office hours.

The Dutch civil service wears a uniform?

blue jeans with an embroidered logo and 3 liters of hair gel.

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#119
post #5

Solvinity is a pretty terrible company name.

We're terrible at company and brand naming here in Europe. Just look at the "Wero" payment solution (formerly/currently iDeal). Like, who the hell came up with that stupid name? The list of stupid European company names and product names are endless.

Why do you feel that Wero is a stupid name?

Re: Netherlands blocks US takeover of vital digital supplier

#120
> "The politicization of this process has overshadowed the clear and important benefits this transaction would have brought to Solvinity's customers and Dutch citizens."

That is unbelievably rich. It's politicians job to protect the privacy and interests of its citizens. Must be a strange idea for the US these days.

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