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Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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I think they should probably ignore you and continue working on it seeing as they got accepted into YC.

Being accepted into YC is not something that makes you or your idea invulnerable. https://ycgraveyard.iamwillwang.com/ https://startups.rip/

This is true but the point of YC is when that they will fund things that can fail it’s why VC exists .

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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Did the YC interviewers ask you about this risk? Did they ask you about a bigger market you can move into? There's no way this foothold will last. You're going to get massacred. Apple WILL ban you. You're not in some capricious walled garden. You're breaking and entering, and they'll destroy you. There is nothing of value to build here. You should take the rest of the day off, then tomorrow, pivot entirely. The folks…

Why would yc fund them given how obvious the risk is ? Esp since a Mac mini farm is capital intense.

YC is not some end all be all arbiter of what will succeed. Plenty of YC startups have failed.

https://ycgraveyard.iamwillwang.com/

https://startups.rip/

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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I genuinely can’t tell if this is naivety or willful ignorance, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. This is in direct violation of the terms of service, and Apple invests a lot of money in keeping iMessage clean of this kind of misuse. They control the servers, the client, certificate provisioning, hardware identification, and user identification. They can trivially trace a registered account to the point o…

I also can’t tell why these use cases can’t just use RCS.

Elsewhere in the great they said they can't support the customer in the right way on RCS. I can't think of any technical reason for right vs wrong support, but I can think of deception as a reason (gaining trust through using a closed platform).

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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I think this is bad and antisocial and you should shut it down. I like imessage because businesses cannot easily use it. The people who are most willing to pay for what you provide will do so because they can thereby annoy me in interfaces where other spammers cannot. More practically beeper got blocked for this reason despite not even targeting commercial messaging.

iMessage has official business accounts. Although I’m not clear if that’s what this company is using.

Can’t be because business chat both sucks ass and uses grey bubbles.

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

#115

I think this is bad and antisocial and you should shut it down. I like imessage because businesses cannot easily use it. The people who are most willing to pay for what you provide will do so because they can thereby annoy me in interfaces where other spammers cannot. More practically beeper got blocked for this reason despite not even targeting commercial messaging.

> I like imessage because businesses cannot easily use it. The people who are most willing to pay for what you provide will do so because they can thereby annoy me in interfaces where other spammers cannot.

I strongly disagree. If I need to chat with a business, an airline for example, why would I want to use SMS instead of iMessage? It’s the same app, but being able to easily send screenshots or photos and know they were received would be a huge improvement.

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

#116

I think this is bad and antisocial and you should shut it down. I like imessage because businesses cannot easily use it. The people who are most willing to pay for what you provide will do so because they can thereby annoy me in interfaces where other spammers cannot. More practically beeper got blocked for this reason despite not even targeting commercial messaging.

Our goal behind this is to make it easier for people to conversationally interact with agents when they want to. Use cases like customer service or form-fill text backs would fit this. People are already getting SMS/RCS conversations in their iMessage inbox. We're simply making those conversations feel more human, conversational, and natural.

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

#117

This is a foothold business living entirely at Apple's discretion. edit: more research > Chert is in the Sendblue/Blooio lineage, which runs genuine Apple software on real Macs logged into real Apple IDs. They're almost certainly not doing "Beeper Plus again."

They are a photon + linq wrapper. Very surprised YC backed this actually

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

#118

I think this is bad and antisocial and you should shut it down. I like imessage because businesses cannot easily use it. The people who are most willing to pay for what you provide will do so because they can thereby annoy me in interfaces where other spammers cannot. More practically beeper got blocked for this reason despite not even targeting commercial messaging.

> I like imessage because businesses cannot easily use it. The people who are most willing to pay for what you provide will do so because they can thereby annoy me in interfaces where other spammers cannot. I strongly disagree. If I need to chat with a business, an airline for example, why would I want to use SMS instead of iMessage? It’s the same app, but being able to easily send screenshots or photos and know they…

Yes, this is what we believe! We just want to make existing conversations over SMS/RCS feel more natural and conversational!

Re: Launch HN: Chert (YC P26) – Twilio for iMessage

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we don't think AI should by any means to pretend to be human, and we are not trying to hide that an agent is involved. What we mean is that conversation should feel natural and low-friction for the person receiving it. These interactions: blue bubble interface, typing indicators, and reactions will make it less like an automated SMS message and more like a normal messaging flow. We are trying to make agentic communic…

How is blue more human than green?

For me personally, if I saw an Agent sending me iMessages I would feel it's for the sole reason of deception. Every other company uses SMS and they feels right to me.
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