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Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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As a Minnesotan I would gladly trade Alberta for Minnesota and become Canadian.

I think most of Canada (and probably America) would be okay with trading all the great lakes touching American states + the US west coast for Alberta.

Albertans are Canadians, and no, we're not going to condemn them to becoming americans or face dislocation over the actions of some loud idiots.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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This is truly trolling escaping the Internet. It's by no means the first instance; "The future is already here—it's just not very evenly distributed". The best time to have started taking this seriously was probably October 2015 or something. The next best time is now. These performative fits by thoughtless Adult Children get backed by real money, for purposes mysterious to me, but they seem purposes dark enough it w…

> This is truly trolling escaping the Internet The referendum? Or calling for imprisoning people for wrongthink?

No, as the subthread starter points out it is about paid influencers and not about heretical opinions. Bessent and Bannon overtly want the oil and Alberta as a 51st state:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-alberta-sepa...

The U.S., as you very well know, has a long history of influencing foreign separatist movements for its own benefit. It even has overt organizations like the NED, which had a DOGE defunding theater but is still funded and deleted its detailed activities from its website. There are many other ways of funneling influencer money.

When the Soviet Union did similar things to the U.S., that activity was called "treason", as you also very well know.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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A related issue is whether, or to what extent, a seceded entity can itself be subject to secession. This concern came up in Quebec when Cree and other groups suggested they'd drop out of post-separation Quebec and ''rejoin'' Canada. Quebec separatists were outraged at the thought of First Nations and pro-Federalist geographical areas turning their new entity into ''Swiss cheese''. It is highly likely that Alberta separatists would face the same challenges and take an equally dim view.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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I know of two people that moved away from Canada and consider themselves refugees for various reasons. It seems... a little out there. But it is a thing.

> it is a thing Anyone can claim refugee status. That doesn’t make them refugees. Being a refugee requires showing persecution that one can’t find relief for within the country’s own system [1]. Given Canada has a functioning court system, the second part of the definition is failed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Sta...

Iran also has a functioning court system w/ both qadi & mufti offering opinions.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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Don’t look at our Swiss system, you won’t like what you see

> Don’t look at our Swiss system, you won’t like what you see I vote in Zurich :). Our system has cooling-off features that Alberta does not.

Hey, mind getting in contact? :) See my profile for my info

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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> This is truly trolling escaping the Internet The referendum? Or calling for imprisoning people for wrongthink?

No, as the subthread starter points out it is about paid influencers and not about heretical opinions. Bessent and Bannon overtly want the oil and Alberta as a 51st state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-alberta-sepa... The U.S., as you very well know, has a long history of influencing foreign separatist movements for its own benefit. It even has overt organizations like the NED, which had a DOGE defu…

> it is about paid influencers and not about heretical opinions

This makes sense. If she took money from Americans agitating for separatism in Canada to promote separatism in Canada, and that violates Canadian law, I can see a legitimate path for investigating and imprisoning.

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No, it's not proving anything of the sort. You're trying to claim that the average canadian despises alberta, and that's simply not a thing. It is in fact invented whole-cloth.

According to this poll ( https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/poll-canadians-living... ), nearly half of Canadians think that: 1) Alberta is not a welcoming place 2) Albertans don't care about other Canadians 3) Alberta is not a place they would feel comfortable living And noticeably, the opinions of the Albertans are generally different from the rest of the country! How curious for a place without an identity of i…

You said “despises”. Your evidence falls wide of the net.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is a thing Anyone can claim refugee status. That doesn’t make them refugees. Being a refugee requires showing persecution that one can’t find relief for within the country’s own system [1]. Given Canada has a functioning court system, the second part of the definition is failed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Sta...

Iran also has a functioning court system w/ both qadi & mufti offering opinions.

> Iran also has a functioning court system

Fair enough, I should have said credible.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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Important context, this referendum isn't binding, but rather a referendum on whether a binding referendum should be held. Separation is deeply unpopular, but Smith has been putting her thumb on the scale every step of the way, and this non-binding referendum isn't subject to the Clarity act in the same way that a subsequent binding one would be.

Is there actually even a legal process for leaving Canada? I would assume you can't just decide to leave. EDIT: oh, there is a process. thats the Clarity Act. This seems extremely surprising - I've never heard of this sort of thing before with any other country.

EU famously has one. Of course you might not consider it a country.

Re: Alberta to hold referendum on whether to remain in Canada

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Important context, this referendum isn't binding, but rather a referendum on whether a binding referendum should be held. Separation is deeply unpopular, but Smith has been putting her thumb on the scale every step of the way, and this non-binding referendum isn't subject to the Clarity act in the same way that a subsequent binding one would be.

If I recall correctly, the Brexit referendum wasn't binding either. When the result ended up the way it did, there was sufficient political capital to push it through without a follow up vote.

The Brexit referendum was non-binding for important constitutional reasons.

Legally, leaving required an Act of Parliament. To hold a binding referendum, they would have had to pass an Act that says "here are the exact details of how we'll leave the EU, coming into force if the referendum passes".

But that would have required them to figure out all the exact details of what it means to leave the EU, and they didn't bother - they just held the referendum and assumed they could figure out the details later if Leave won, which they didn't expect would happen.

We all saw how well that worked out.

> there was sufficient political capital to push it through without a follow up vote.

This seriously overstates how smoothly things went between 23/6/2016 and 31/1/2020

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