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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by oliwarner »

M4v3R wrote: post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

That's what we need. More children in prison. Now two lives are ruined. Just for the sake of retribution.

Redeemable children can make horrific mistakes. The job of parents, and pastoral adults is to maintain an environment where kids can exist without making irreparable, life-destroying mistakes. Let them learn, but limit the damage they can accidentally cajole themselves into doing.

That means limiting access to social media, phones and cameras. Turning the school clock back to 1995.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by colpabar »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #108
samlinnfer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

No you are correct. A lot of people seem to think that the solution is to tell all the girls who are affected by this to get over it and that they should be flattered.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Curosinono »

latexr wrote: post #66
Curosinono wrote: post #38

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I do agree that shit behavour should be met with direct reaction but lets be honest here the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. A proper society should educate people about things they can't get rid of anymore. And no you can't just put teenager, which have not fully formed brains yet, into prison for fake nudity

> the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. Yet the consequences for the victims may last a lifetime and be both intrinsic and extrinsic. Sexually forcing themselves on a drunk colleague at a party or taking their dad’s gun and shooting up their classmates also only takes a few minutes, but can scar a community for years. I’m not going to opine on what the punishment should be, though it seems clear there shoul…

The community should never have a say in this. A independent judge should do this to make sure its fair.

And there is a huge difference between clarifying with people what fake AI is vs. real nudity.

You can't just put a kid into prison because they copy pasted a head from someone onto some body.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Curosinono »

pibaker wrote: post #101
Curosinono wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do agree that shit behavour should be met with direct reaction but lets be honest here the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. A proper society should educate people about things they can't get rid of anymore. And no you can't just put teenager, which have not fully formed brains yet, into prison for fake nudity

There are a lot more things we punish people for that take less than 5 minutes.

Thats not what i meant.

My point was that this type of technology is so easy to access and to do, its not easy to just make it illegal.

Take a picture out of the year book, copy it onto a body, done

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by samlinnfer »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #108
samlinnfer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

Do you have an issue with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends in their minds? What if they drew them? What if they photoshopped them? What if they had an AI make them? I suppose if I used such an uncharitable reading of your comment I would ask you're some kind of puritan supporter of thoughtcrime. Am I getting this wrong?

Being curious about other people's bodies is part of the human experience. Sharing unwanted graphic depictions of them, is not the most mature act, but doesn't rise to the level extreme punishment as advocated by the GP.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by samlinnfer »

colpabar wrote: post #112
GeoAtreides wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

No you are correct. A lot of people seem to think that the solution is to tell all the girls who are affected by this to get over it and that they should be flattered.

And that's still a better solution than telling them to be traumatized by fake depictions that never even happened, or allowing advocates to use this as a wedge to put more restriction on speech. At least the 2A supporters have the balls to say "from my cold dead hands", who is there stand for 1A?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Anthony-G »

jacknews wrote: post #44
ktallett wrote: post #17

This is sadly becoming very common and they are worringly good enough for people to assume they are real. I had a friend who had this issue, she has tried to ride it off as no clue who made them or shared them but I know it can't be easy for her. There needs to be appropriate laws for this the same way there is for revenge porn etc.

Surely this comes under defamation law or something similar, as if they photoshopped the girl's heads onto porn photos.

Agreed. Even if it’s not possible to know who created the images in the first place, anyone who “shares” them should be culpable.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Jordan-117 »

noosphr wrote: post #109
ChoGGi wrote: post #104

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To you, it might be pixels on a screen, to someone else it's their life and dignity. It wouldn't be the first time a high-schooler killed themself over bullying.

And to a good Stalinist it was the dignity of the USSR. Something millions died to protect in the great patriotic war. Again, symbolic violence is worse than real violence to a lot of people.

The point is that these images are so realistic that it's difficult to tell they're fake. Your weird Soviet analogy is not remotely the same thing -- making a teenage girl think that everyone in her life has seen her expose herself sexually and done things she hadn't really done is personally humiliating and devastating in a way scrawling some political heresy about a public figure is obviously not. Kids have literally committed suicide over shit like this.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by Jordan-117 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #71
bandrami wrote: post #15

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In the US possession of CSAM is a strict-liability crime. If the models contain the data to produce it, the modelmakers should be liable.

Models don't have to contain imagery of a thing to produce imagery of that thing - the canonical example is the pelican riding a bicycle. Model makers, arguably, are like pencil manufacturers but in a World of good artists. I think you can hold people to account for what they help to create, but not what they have potential to do. Now, if models were trained on any csam, of course, the model's owners should be held y…

The vast majority of these offences are from apps or sites that generate and host the images themselves, often by openly promoting their ability to "nudify" people, and payment leaves them a paper trail. That makes them complicit. I agree that local/open source models are harder to police, but most grade schoolers are not going to be able to set up and run something like that.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Post by GeoAtreides »

samlinnfer wrote: post #115
GeoAtreides wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

Do you have an issue with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends in their minds? What if they drew them? What if they photoshopped them? What if they had an AI make them? I suppose if I used such an uncharitable reading of your comment I would ask you're some kind of puritan supporter of thoughtcrime. Am I getting this wrong? Being curious about other people's bodies is part of the human experien…

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