i think i'd buy a $279 refurbished steamdeck and a bag of usb-c sensor-widgets from aliexpress. ...In fact I did. I plug my flipper zero into it sometimes, too.
Flipper One Tech Specs
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#112Why the AI voice assistant? What? Is this perhaps a prank? That doesn't line up with the ethos of the Flipper Zero
I mean, one of the very first things I would do on a such powerful device is to run a voice-controlled agent with access to all the IO the Flipper has and let the agent take over the device to do whatever I want. I can imagine having your agent of preference writing python scripts on the fly for whatever scenario you have in mind based on your spoken desires is like... literally a dream device, at least for me.
And you're going to verify them on that tiny screen before executing them?
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it’s not cheap, then what differentiates it from a $150 Linux laptop and $30 dongle
That's exactly my point! It's a low to midrange computer with extremely high portability including a grayscale display. Where else are you going to get that functionality combined as a single unit?
A steam deck maybe?
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#114I have a Flipper Zero and I've used it... occasionally. Like that one time controlling the Taylor Swift Eras tour wristbands: https://blog.jgc.org/2024/05/controlling-taylor-swift-eras-t... but it's mostly sat around being an odd device. I duplicated a couple of RFID things, used the IR for some stuff, and once in a while used the radio receiver, but mostly it looks pretty. I'm not sure what I'd do with a Flipper One…
I used it to scan my cat's microchips which let me catch that my recent adoption had the wrong number registered and correct it. Today I used my swiss army knife for the first time in a year because I needed a narrow flathead in a pinch. Not all tools need to be used everyday. I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
> I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
Yeah, I always lose my 10mm as well...
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#115I was getting very excited about this until I realized it's huge. Bigger than my phone in most dimensions. There go my dreams of a Flipper Zero-esque device I can port RockBox to and plug in for a low-power Linux PC...
Re: Flipper One Tech Specs
#116I have a Flipper Zero and I've used it... occasionally. Like that one time controlling the Taylor Swift Eras tour wristbands: https://blog.jgc.org/2024/05/controlling-taylor-swift-eras-t... but it's mostly sat around being an odd device. I duplicated a couple of RFID things, used the IR for some stuff, and once in a while used the radio receiver, but mostly it looks pretty. I'm not sure what I'd do with a Flipper One…
I use mine all the time, in that it has a subGhz app that queries a raspi for the room temperature and if it gets above 78 degrees F it sends the 'on' code to the ceiling fan, above 85 degrees and it sends a couple of speed up codes. When the temperature reverse it sends slow down and then off codes.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its got 8gb of ddr5 in it. That's already a huge chunk of $300 - I'm not even sure they will get the BOM down to $300. I'm guessing it'll be $1000 or so. (Which is good for me. Well above my impulse buy threshold. I don't regret buying my Flipper Zero, because it was within my impulse buy and not regret it threshold.)
I forgot it has a battery as well, so add on the extra power and charging circuitry. Yeah, probably north of $500, but I can't imagine it being closer to $1000 :/
That extra circuitry is like a dollar retail. That should not be a significant impact on the price. For the battery itself, three 18650s would add $5 to the BOM so I'm not expecting a huge difference from that either.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
They added an M.2 port [1] to which you can attach a variety of modules, including SDR (eg. [2] 30 MHz - 11 GHz). [1]: https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr
No pricing on that sSDR yet, but their single channel M.2 SDR is $360. My guess it the dual channel one would be close to $500. Nice, but above my impulse buy threshold... (It won't surprise me if a Flipper One with that sSDR in it will cost close to $1,500.)
This is where I land as well, except I'd go higher. Ukraine has caused the pricing of any FPGA equipped SDR to skyrocket.
Plus incredibly high sample rates that the sSDR supports would likely result in a lot of drops in sampling due to sustained throughput issues of the device itself. You'd be surprised how much dropping occurs on even fairly modern/grunty machines. I used to record X band weather satellite baseband on a HP Dev One and ended up using a ramdisk for baseband recording as the PCIe 2.0 bus wasn't able to handle the sustained write speeds once the nvme drive's buffer was maxed out. Basically anything above 30Msps would go to RAM.
As strong as the lure is of a cute RF device, I've never bought a flipper as I couldn't justify it given the multitude of other SDRs and radio hardware I have. EG RFNM, BladeRF 2.0 xA4, hackRF clone, RTL-SDRs and NESDRs, as well as a YardStick.
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#119It looks like a completely different product, not an evolution of the Flipper Zero.
The main focus here seems to be networking, not Radio/IR/etc... In fact it doesn't even have these features. They could be added but that would be missing the point. The point of the Flipper Zero is to have all these in a cute little package, and have a community around a common hardware platform. If you start adding stuff, there are certainly better/cheaper options, especially if you already have a laptop, or maybe even a smartphone.
Also the original Flipper Zero is about $200, it is at the upper limit of what can be considered a toy. Something you can buy without thinking "do I really need this?". The Flipper One is far more powerful, and the casing is not just a plastic clamshell, so it is likely to be significantly more expensive, so, not a toy, especially if you buy accessories, like a PCIe SDR.
Also, part of the appeal of the Flipper Zero is that out of the box, it does things that few non-specialized devices do, especially sub-GHz radio. The Flipper One is essentially just a computer. I already have WiFi and Ethernet on plenty of other devices, so it doesn't really open new possibilities.
I guess they are trying to go for a more serious tool this time, because as it is, I don't see people buying it on a whim like with the Flipper Zero.
Side note: There is a somewhat surprising lack of PoE, considering how much attention the gave to power management, and the fact that one of their use cases involve a security camera. Maybe they did consider it but some technical reasons made it impractical, 48V may be too much to handle.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it’s not cheap, then what differentiates it from a $150 Linux laptop and $30 dongle
That's exactly my point! It's a low to midrange computer with extremely high portability including a grayscale display. Where else are you going to get that functionality combined as a single unit?
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