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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by Cider9986 »

IshKebab wrote: post #79
rendx wrote: post #67

The moment I saw their Spotify announcement I expected it to go bad. And they didn't even release anything from it other than metadata! (I understand this case is about their books, but I feel it got a lot more heat due to the Spotify action.) Please, dear Anna, don't disappear on us. We need you for the books! Plenty of sources for music around.

Yeah at the least they should have created a separate brand and released it under that.

But what about the clout.

Some people may say that Anna's has great OPSEC because she hasn't been identified following this release, but part of OPSEC is reliability, which they clearly failed at with the Spotify release. They let ego come in front of their OPSEC.

http://opbible7nans45sg33cbyeiwqmlp5fu7lklu6jd6f3mivrjeqadco...

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by whycome »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #106
ffsm8 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, aren't you confirming his opinion with that? After all, Anna doesn't have the money to fight this in court

No. Anthropic fought and paid $1.5 billion in settlement and agreed to delete all the copyrighted material.

Delete? Wasn’t that material already used to train models?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by bfrankline »

jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by john_strinlai »

bubblegumcrisis wrote: post #108
Lockranor wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Citizens are not served by their government; they are burdened with it. The EPA is arguing for preventing companies from accountability for poisoning us. That should tell you quite a bit about the depth of the rot.

Here's a question- and while I admit it is quite extreme- I've wondered this for quite some time- do please tell me why I'm wrong, because I feel as if I've started believing this more and more: Could 5% of humanity be a psycho-path-subspecies? These psychopaths are basically leeches on the rest of us, maybe even a cancer. Not only do they feel no guilt for enslaving other (wage-slavery), but they are also fine with…

its estimated ~1% of humans are psychopathic. psychopaths are optimized for ladder-climbing (career, politics, etc.), so the rate of CEOs and politicians that are psychopathic is higher than 1%.

and that probably explains a lot about the world.

however, i wouldnt call people affected by psychopathy a "subspecies", and i strongly doubt they have any extra psychopathy-sensing special abilities like sight or smell. that is crossing over into wild conspiracy territory.

(its also important to note that there are lots of people who have all the typical traits of psychopathy, but dont act like what people would call "psycho". there is way more nuance to psychopathy than usually portrayed in media or whatever)

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by piperswe »

bfrankline wrote: post #113
jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.

But those libraries have to pay each time they loan those digital goods. It's not the old "pay once loan until it's dust" model they use for physical goods.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by nemomarx »

bfrankline wrote: post #113
jonhohle wrote: post #104

Not going to claim anything regarding Anna’s Archive’s legitimacy, but what do libraries look like in the future? We’re just going to give up and say, first sale was great while we had it, but digital makes it obsolete? When you die, screw donating your collection of “licenses” to somewhere productive; those contracts died with you? Everything is streaming, so you never purchased anything anyway? It’s crazy to me tha…

Are you in the United States? Many libraries loan digital goods, e.g., books, music, movies, and even software.

can I donate my ebook to them?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by jiveturkey »

Lucasoato wrote: post #93
jiveturkey wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when does a commission in the EU get to tell the entire World how to treat Personal Data?

How to treat European Citizens' personal data.

Residents, not just citizens.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by vitally3643 »

rolymath wrote: post #19
josefritzishere wrote: post #6

AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?

As much as I would like to socialize LLMs and ban proprietary LLMs, I'm pretty sure the issue here is with the distribution of the books.

It's wrong to distribute books in PDF or epub containers, but it's fine to distribute them as GGUF?

Because that's what OpenAI is doing with the books they-- again-- illegally acquired. Huge AI companies are the ones pirating media at scale and literally everyone except the AI companies have to bear the consequences of that.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by contubernio »

random3 wrote: post #90
rvnx wrote: post #84

Why LLM companies that depended on Anna's archive end up so clean ? Looks like Anna's archive was doing the dirty work, and the LLM companies were reaping the profits (and ironically still do, as they hold the largest databases of pirated content in the world). Is it because the law doesn't apply to you when you have 1B USD ?

While that may be the case it’s hard to make this claim when: - Anthropic settled a similar case - Anna didn’t show up in court

Justice should not depend on whether the aggrieved appears in court. That's a structural weakness of US law.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by metadat »

random3 wrote: post #90
rvnx wrote: post #84

Why LLM companies that depended on Anna's archive end up so clean ? Looks like Anna's archive was doing the dirty work, and the LLM companies were reaping the profits (and ironically still do, as they hold the largest databases of pirated content in the world). Is it because the law doesn't apply to you when you have 1B USD ?

While that may be the case it’s hard to make this claim when: - Anthropic settled a similar case - Anna didn’t show up in court

Showing up is a trap for Anna - who doesn't have 5 billion dollars to settle.
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